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Post by Ferox on Mar 8, 2007 21:21:58 GMT 8
Hi guys, dunno if this is a wierd request, but I'd like to investigate having a gun made from scratch. The Seburo C-26A from the anime Ghost in the Shell: SAC. I know it's an imaginary gun, hence my concern, since there won't be any blue prints. I have found some photos, but I'd really like to just check it out, find out how challenging it would be, if any factories do this, how much, so on and so forth. Below are some preliminary photos so you can see what I'm looking for. Sort of like a P90/FN2000 hybrid. In the 1st picture, you can see the magazine is horizontally latched underneath, behind where the hand grip is. I know it's possible, since I've found examples of real size custom jobs, however these are from the original movie, and maybe you can tell, not the same model.
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Post by Arclight on Mar 8, 2007 22:33:38 GMT 8
Well I dunno really. Logicaly, looking at the thing, it would be somekind of internal metal frame with an outer epoxy/resin body. That said, the body material exchanged with plastics on a mass-production model would lower production costs. It resemlbes an FN2000 which would go a long way in building your internals for you but obviously without one available right now I'd say a seriously hardcore porject involving AUG internals and a whole new inner frame to hold it in place would be in order. Considering the major work, home or workshop builds would be a massive undertaking. Convincing a factory would be hard as it is so alien in design (from previous builds) that the complete new assemlby required in it's construction wuold require it to be stepped up for mass production (or at least sizable batches) to be worth the investment. Your best chance, practicaly, it to get a very expeinced someones (or several cometant gunsmiths) to do this in a home workshop. The fact it, puting a price on it would be impossible at this stage; you'd have to try it and monitor production time and cost before you could even begin to form an idea on total cost. OF COURSE you could always try convincing our resident M2 builder to see if ya can talk him into this as a second project for the near future.
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Post by Ferox on Mar 8, 2007 23:10:44 GMT 8
Thanks for putting it into perspective Arclight, do you happen to have the contact details of any gunsmiths or workshops?
I am hell-bent on getting my hands on this gun, I would do anything, so any help/advice/contacts from anyone would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by Arclight on Mar 8, 2007 23:30:42 GMT 8
Psh, that I have no clue; that requires peeps on the down-lo wid da pulse.
Rekognize, aiiiiight.
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Post by Noa on Mar 9, 2007 0:04:39 GMT 8
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Post by Ferox on Mar 9, 2007 0:09:27 GMT 8
Thanks Noa,
But I can't read Japanese so I don't know where or what to type for enquiries.
I also saw the part about overseas shipping, maybe there is something in Hong Kong? Not specifically these guns but a workshop that I can get some tips and possible info from.
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Post by Noa on Mar 9, 2007 0:15:23 GMT 8
I know that Dentrinity Shop sold these models with an AEG gearbox put into it a few years ago. Enquiring with them is the best choice if you're looking into finding a source in HK
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Post by pestexterminator on Mar 9, 2007 0:16:46 GMT 8
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Post by Noa on Mar 9, 2007 0:22:54 GMT 8
Also if you're into doing resin work,
go to a model shop like in wanchai or near KW street, and you can buy all the tools you need.
I used to do garage kit making and stuff, making molds and like that so I can tell you that you'll need to spend quite a bit as well as skill if you're going to mold the shape out just by sight. Then if you think about the durability of the gun, it gets more complicated.
Hope that helps.
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Post by Arclight on Mar 9, 2007 1:07:43 GMT 8
Oh sweet, no idea they made that in Japan. Daaamn they have some fine looking custom jobs.
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Post by Fightingcock on Mar 9, 2007 2:11:16 GMT 8
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Post by Ferox on Mar 9, 2007 9:00:33 GMT 8
Thanks guys. Noa if I could have some way of finding/contacting Den Trinity that would be great, thanks.
Pest, FC, I appreciate the pointers on where to buy, but you're looking at the MN-23, I'm trying to get a C-26A, the one from the first 6 pictures, and I know it doesn't exist.
Arclight, Noa, I suppose if I bought a resin kit for a designer or workshop and funded the project that would be okay.
Just to make it clear guys, I don't need to make it myself, I just want one, so getting someone professional would be a better use of time, money and resources (I'd probably go buy a kit and never touch it for the rest of my life). So I'm really looking for contact details or places to go, people to speak to about having one made for me.
For instance Arclight, you said we had a resident M2 builder? I don't know what an M2 is, but if he has experience I'd like to be put in touch please.
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Post by Ferox on Mar 9, 2007 16:11:55 GMT 8
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Post by Arclight on Mar 13, 2007 10:44:45 GMT 8
Meh, not the slickest I've seen, but I suppose yeah, it's half way there.
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Post by Ferox on Mar 14, 2007 20:39:38 GMT 8
Yonathan said he'd help make the mould and help build it for me, just need some parts from a P90, then some chopping and carving.
Anyone know his number so I can talk to him about it please?
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Post by Ferox on Mar 18, 2007 22:34:31 GMT 8
Progress report: Planning and sketching Met up with Yonathan today, we discussed how we could progress and decided on a few key issues. He drew the two pictures above, incredible skillz! He also has all the chemicals and materials to make a cast. 1) This is going to be based on a P90, infact, we're pretty much going to mount a custom casing along the side and top and chop up the grip, redesigning it with resin parts to match the shape required. 2)We;re going to use parts from an M4 ironsight to keep it ambidexdrious. You can see the concept explaination at the bottom of the first picture. 3)The biggest technical issue was going to be the unique magazine which was supposed to be attached to the grip and fed horizontally. We're going to make a dummy clip instead. In essence the gun will load like a normal P90, just that the bridge above the mag will have a tunnel around it to conceal the mag while giving it enough room to take out and put back. You can see it clearly on the 2nd picture above the gun. It's a snug fit, and Yonathan's dad said he could help make the casing, possibly out of aluminium! Next week we'll go shopping. This job will basically mean I'll need to buy an entire P90! Can't wait!
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Post by pestexterminator on Mar 19, 2007 0:17:30 GMT 8
holy hell - crazy sketch
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Post by malavern on Mar 19, 2007 1:20:44 GMT 8
wowsers...
Yonathon, you rock dude!
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Post by woozie on Mar 19, 2007 1:37:40 GMT 8
nice sketchs I can't uses pencils anymore... All my works are now done by Pens... oh btw, I can't wait til you get that thing done Woozie
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Post by yonathanho on Mar 19, 2007 9:27:32 GMT 8
heh thanks.
i'm thinking of cutting of the two grips from the p90 exept for the trigger, then casting the grips in resin after carving them from sculpting clay, then make two plates of resin that screw onto the sides and provide the aesthetics by looking like the c26a. Then i will cut the bridge and sights off the p90's upper reciver and sand cast an aluminium upper reciver. That will probably be powder-coated in gun metal/grey. i will probably airbrush the resin pieces in the correct colours.
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Post by malavern on Mar 19, 2007 22:07:47 GMT 8
if you have the resources to purchase several P90s and make several C26a's, you could sell them in the Airsoft/or cosplay market for high prices!!
i mean, a wooden cosplay sword (i.e. Sword from Bleach...) is being sold at over 450... thats for a sword... (production costs less than 200). Imagine what you could make with the C26a!!!
i know i for one would want one!! imagine the entire [-=O=-] using one of those each... in formation, with our new uniform!!
Sweet!!...
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Post by Ferox on Mar 19, 2007 22:47:20 GMT 8
The current issue being you'd need to pay for a full TM P90, thats minimum 1230, then you need to risk cutting up the grip and parts, before asking yonathan's dad nicely to make all the castings. That's all considering if we don't get sued by IG Productions.
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Post by yonathanho on Mar 21, 2007 15:28:35 GMT 8
uh ho... copyright.. i hadnt thought of, that... is this an issue? kind of a fuzzy area to me
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Post by Ferox on Mar 21, 2007 18:30:31 GMT 8
Only if there is profit through attempting to sell, which there isn't, since this is a personal project.
FC has bought the gun, should get it this Sunday at the wargame. ;D
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Post by malavern on Mar 23, 2007 12:47:16 GMT 8
umm... copyright should be a problem even if you sell the full kit for profit.
Reason why: You have effectively cut/mangled the P90 from its original looks, using only the internal parts (or some of the external bits) as a base, and renamed the "toy-gun". When other companies make new AEGs, they tend to base their new creations off existing guns, AND use the same internal systems. i.e. UN Co, purchases Systema gearboxes and other parts from other companies in a jumbled mix. shoves em in a custom body, or a modified body, renames the AEG by adding a few extra numbers to the end of the insignia (M4 a9 RIS... or some shit like that). And sells it to the public at over inflated prices.
If you are still worried, you can just sell the resin parts as a DIY kit with instructions. (like the M41A1 Pulse rifle kit)
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Post by Ferox on Mar 26, 2007 14:34:06 GMT 8
Ho-kay, Yonathan called a friend of a friend and got in touch with Productions IG, we can make 3 and we can't sell them. Now shut up. FC delivered the P90 yesterday and I passed it on to Yonnie so we'll work on it later in the week! Will keep you posted.
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Post by ironlord on Mar 27, 2007 11:38:48 GMT 8
LMAO - listen to you guys, talking about copyright. WE'RE IN ASIA! And not even Japan. That means copyright is bollocks. Just don't advertise and you can do whatever you want =) Just a thought - I think the upcoming chinese FN F2000 would be a better starting point for the gun. It looks a lot like it already (and, being a chinese gun, will be much cheaper) Al.
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Post by Ferox on Mar 27, 2007 15:46:36 GMT 8
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Post by yonathanho on Apr 4, 2007 21:42:22 GMT 8
ok i'm taking the gutted out p90 bodies up to china this weekend and with a little luck will get all the carving done.
this job could be finished much sooner than expected
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Post by Ferox on Apr 4, 2007 22:46:06 GMT 8
Thanks Yonathan! ;D
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