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Post by play150 on Aug 5, 2008 5:45:46 GMT 8
I saw the Top 5 Ghillie Suit pics thread, and the suits looked really good! Did you guys make them like a real one? Btw... It's spelled GhillIe
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Post by Fightingcock on Aug 5, 2008 21:12:08 GMT 8
they like real ones... in the fact... that they are "real"... be it for deer hunting... airsoft... or war. and the individual is surprised to make his own... and... they work but generally i've noticed there are 2 types. a holey ghillie and unholely ghillie one... lol. a holely one is generaly made from a camo net... and easyier to make... colours are printed, cut up and mostly good. very easy to attach "fresh" greenery. but this type is full of little holes... to get caught in every little twig branch and bush you walk by as well as the gear on your body at installation and removal. although... generally ghillie tactic... "don't move!" although of cause you have too. the unholy one also starts with a net (not camo, but fishing etc.) but is alot more flowing and layered, almost till the net can't be seen. and theres a lot less chances to get caught on bush in passing. easiyer random colouring basicly an unholey one would be closer to the "real"... but harder to make.. hotter.. and less snaging. holely... the opposite. but both work just as well... end of the day... just comes down to... colour.. and skill of user. FC
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Post by play150 on Aug 5, 2008 21:37:00 GMT 8
Oooh, what about the ones where you like sow the net/glue the net onto sth like BDUs or something. (Saw that online ) I'm planning to get MARPAT someday... and then I'll have old woodland BDUs that I can use for a ghillie suit.
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Post by Fightingcock on Aug 5, 2008 22:15:30 GMT 8
yes... i have old tigers for same idea. that would be a non holey one... and you can add any material to cover the netting... and is flowing. I will try go straight for the sew material on to BDU... with out netting... to make it total holeless... but will make me look like a airsoft geek... with homemade ghillie... lol. but will also make me 100% invisible... colours location pending. but what ever material... colour.. process you want... go for it it may take you a few attempts to find a good one. FC
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Post by malavern on Aug 5, 2008 22:22:03 GMT 8
FC, you're already invisible most of the time, just by walking around slowly! lol
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Post by play150 on Aug 6, 2008 7:26:27 GMT 8
But if you use the netting, there's less sewing! You just tie the jute onto the netting right? And netting should be moar durable because the jute/burlap would come off easily if sewn on.... I dunno >.<
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Post by Noa on Aug 6, 2008 19:09:02 GMT 8
It's hard to find jute/burlap in HK without paying lots of money. It's better to use knitting thread/yarn which you can get dirt cheap and they come in green brown colors you need Also Pest found a good material which is the brown packing string which has a good texture and color.
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Post by Chowiez on Aug 6, 2008 19:26:40 GMT 8
Maybe we could have a workshop when we have a fixed way.
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Post by Noa on Aug 6, 2008 19:41:00 GMT 8
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I won't get into details yet.
It's just... really time consuming. Let me put up some photos in abit to show the current methods.
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Post by Noa on Aug 6, 2008 20:46:04 GMT 8
Here we go. This is the jump suit. I'll use this as a base. It has buttons sewed on so I can hook on a ghillie net (fish net). Front zip so you can go in easy. Slanted chest pockets. Double layer elbow/knee pads w/ belt loop around the waist. Back: I cut open the back, arm pits and butt and sewed in netting to allow air flow. But you must wear shorts or pants under this flight suit or else bugs will crawl in and bite the fk out of your butt (talking from experience... ><). This is the ghillie netting which is sold as the "Ghillie net". It has fake leaf netting with a string net sewn in underneath. You can drape it over and tie it in anyway you want. Reverse side: --- This is my half recon ghillie. I copied the design off a real ghillie base that was sold by Lightfighter.com but they stopped production. It was meant to keep your top half ghillied while allowing you to wear a backpack and allow access to your gear/vest/pouches. Long range use. Very practical. front: back: Me: --- Alternative Materials: Yarn, netting, fake leaf netting, packing string...etc Packing string. tough and has a jutey/burlap look. This yarn can be split and frayed easy. various color yarn - use according to the terrain/color you want the ghillie base to be like. Ghillie base hat, with top air vent and fish net tied on. You use the materials shown above and just tie them in.
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Post by Chowiez on Aug 6, 2008 21:16:24 GMT 8
Where do you buy the ghillie net? That net IS the ghillie. Why stick it on a jumpsuit? Just use tigerstripes!
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Post by Noa on Aug 6, 2008 23:01:54 GMT 8
Where do you buy the ghillie net? That net IS the ghillie. Why stick it on a jumpsuit? Just use tigerstripes! Mr. Mo Leung let me take a big bunch from his game site - so if you need a net, I can cut a few meters off for you. But the fish net is about 2x2 cm holes, you need to cut them open into 4x4 to be able to fit foliage/field expedients and tie in strings. Believe me it is time consuming. Why stick on a jumpsuit. Well there was a army scout who told me that he uses a jumpsuit for his recon missions - and I believe it is the best choice. It is 1 piece, so you won't get your shirt being pulled out from your pants and get dirt, bugs, and other stuff being pokd into your stomach. The jump suit can accomodate features such as a hydration pack mounted horizontally on your back (as shown on a manual). The jump suit can be modified to have padding to be sewed on so when you're crawling it is more comfortable. The jump suit is airy and loose, so you can get good ventilation unlike BDU's. Also it is versatile, if you get a larger size, you can just jump into the 'jump' suit with your gear and tiger stripes. And later you can 'shed' the jumpsuit off. Also considering that the ghillie net will be near permenantly attached on, a jump suit is better than a 2 piece uniform to get into and wear. You also won't be able to see any camouflage printed on the uniform with the ghillie net on top. A plain OD base is much generic than having tiger stripes which is terrain specific. Cleaning wise, you just roll the ghillie into a ball, shove it into your washing machine and put it to cold machine wash - tada. --- But as you know, there are many types of ghillies and the one thing that is common to them is: IF THE SHIT FITS - WEAR IT ;D You can be cheap and just drape the netting over and that will work. It just depends on your own fieldcraft and skills - as FC has said. For example, with my half recon ghillie, I just stick in natural foliage and tada - invisible. Stuff you should ask yourself is: 1) What color/terrain do you want it for? 2) How specialised do you need it to be? Full stalking? Just a drape on advantage over others? Or augmentation of your normal camouflage.
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Post by Chowiez on Aug 6, 2008 23:32:35 GMT 8
Hmm. Ill buy some fishing net and strings with my dad. Will get some photos and prices on what i buy.
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Post by Noa on Aug 6, 2008 23:38:04 GMT 8
Just to be sure~
If you want the net that has fake leaf pattern - then you can buy it at SSP.
If you want the plain green fish net - I can cut out panel for you =)I'll add you onto msn
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Post by malavern on Aug 6, 2008 23:55:57 GMT 8
i like it better when ppl can see me as a headshot em from afar... lol
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Post by play150 on Aug 7, 2008 3:06:31 GMT 8
Thanks for the really long post... But how did you attach the ghillie net to the flightsuit? Sewing?
Also do people sell the ghillie net in KWS? I think I've seen it before...
Where do you get the packaging string? >.< I'm full of questions
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Post by Noa on Aug 7, 2008 3:24:38 GMT 8
You have the option of sewing it on and using glue. Or if you want it detachable you can sew on large buttons and hook the net onto it, which is what I did. The leaf netting can be bought in KWS but I suggest you ask FC or me to pick one up from SSP. And I don't know where to get packaging string Pest got it for me and I don't know where he got it from. Though I guess from stationary stores and post offices?
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Post by Chowiez on Aug 7, 2008 14:11:37 GMT 8
Not very much good in a fishing shop. They only sell small sized fishing nets, and the holes are strechy, small and triangular.
In fact, I would like some of that net that Mr. Mo Lueng sold to you Noa.
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Post by malavern on Aug 7, 2008 15:35:55 GMT 8
triangular netting is actually really good for ghillie suits. it breaks up the pattern even more and well, works great in tropical environs like Indo, Phili, and Malay. Whether it works in HK is another matter.
Also: triangular netting works better if you are small in size, whereas square netting works better if you are medium-large in size...
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Post by Chowiez on Aug 7, 2008 17:58:10 GMT 8
What do you think will be the best way to link 2 pieces of triangular netting together? Cause it comes in small pieces.
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Post by Noa on Aug 7, 2008 23:07:16 GMT 8
Staple
Cable tie
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note that the leaf netting rips so staples are actually really good ways to do quick repairs xD
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Post by Chowiez on Aug 8, 2008 0:09:05 GMT 8
Staples? They will cut you!
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Post by malavern on Aug 8, 2008 1:02:19 GMT 8
use cable tie, safest and surest method, just make sure to cut off the extra bits, and sand them off so they dont cut
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Post by Noa on Aug 8, 2008 2:11:32 GMT 8
Staples? They will cut you! Tried and tested buddy You should be more worried about other things than staple cuts xD Don't worry~
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Post by Noa on Aug 8, 2008 5:28:40 GMT 8
Here's how the... hardcore-ish/alternative hardcore way is made. Multicolor yarn - has green brown n' shades Bind them around your arm and cut both loop ends to get appropriate length: Sniper boonie hate w/ ghillie net sewed on: Attach string sparingly from bottom up, row by row: After 2 hours or so... Do the same for your body and you get... Whatcha think? Do a full body and you're about HALF done. The other half would be to 'break' the ghillie in by crawling through dirt, shyt, and others to make it look rough and useable in the field. Note, that the ghillie itself isn't complete w/o attaching field expedients/real leaves and foliage. Ah almost forgot - yeah you should add some diversity to the materials and colors. So I should attach the fake leaf netting here and there and other colors... But it depends on which terrain I will use the ghillie suit in. HK's terrain has a range of: - dry bush (october onwards) - leafy green bush - jungle roots/branches/liannas - green grass A ghillie suit with all colors won't work in any terrain so you will have to pick one and make another (zomg) for another terrain.
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Post by Noa on Aug 8, 2008 7:54:44 GMT 8
For your reference Chowiez & all others who are making a ghillie: This is my jump suit with the fish net Mo Leung gave me. The net hole is small as you can see, so you have to "touch it up" by cutting them larger. It's annoying as hell. And I'm wondering if I should have searched for a larger net hahahaha... Volleyball nets work well. So do tennis nets.... Fk any net with big holes. It's going to take ALL DAY to cut the holes to be bigger -_-
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Post by Chowiez on Aug 8, 2008 10:38:01 GMT 8
Zomg! Looking good! I think im going to do WHATEVER strings I have lol. Cant wait till I get the net, I have too much free time on my hands.... Oh, and any paint that dyes string? I cant find green yarn and colorful ropes.
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Post by Noa on Aug 8, 2008 11:33:08 GMT 8
Allow me... to take you on a knitting shop tour lol.
When can you pick up the net? When are you free so I can show you where to get the string? I get it from causeway bay, near times square.
The string color I use is my favorite atm becaues it has a good balance of green and brown shades.
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Post by Fightingcock on Aug 8, 2008 12:32:39 GMT 8
hit up reclamation st... ymt... from dundus st.. back to waterloo rd. its great for resources in this case... netting, string, hemp sacks if your lucky. theres also the string shops in ssp... i'll tour if need be... FC
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Post by Noa on Aug 8, 2008 12:47:37 GMT 8
Sounds like a plan~
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