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Post by Arclight on Apr 13, 2007 23:42:44 GMT 8
Well ok, but I don't have that luxury. Besides, we don't have t do it in one go, we can spread it out; Lord knows we're down there often enough.
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Post by malavern on Apr 14, 2007 17:28:52 GMT 8
true
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Post by Noa on Apr 29, 2007 8:11:07 GMT 8
Okay. All night BF2 LAN games has helped get used BF2 now. I'm pretty good with the helicoptor I think hehe I look forward to playing at S7 with Malavern when I get back!
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Post by conspiracy on Apr 29, 2007 9:40:59 GMT 8
i just need a good gunner on the helo.
pest is good on it but lags whenever he goes TV missle.
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Post by Arclight on Apr 29, 2007 11:25:19 GMT 8
Aye, me to; I'm a good gunner but lag is teh deth of gunners all.
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Post by Noa on Apr 29, 2007 12:11:28 GMT 8
i just need a good gunner on the helo. Yeah I agree completely. The Bots are pretty good with the minigun but don't turn to the missiles
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Post by xurbit on Apr 29, 2007 20:45:55 GMT 8
You forgot me Malavern arn't I a member of your HKC Clan . I need to learn how to use the damn guided missle on the helicopter beacuse every time I fire, i move my mouse and the missle goes stright. Also breaking news: I am good with most of all classes now! xD Xt
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Post by malavern on Apr 29, 2007 23:17:41 GMT 8
lol, sry Xurbit... to control the wire guided missile, you need to click your mouse once each time you want it to change direction..
just make sure you dont double click, cause when you dc, the missile blows up... great if you're targeting a squad of infantry... airburst style!!
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Post by conspiracy on Apr 29, 2007 23:18:43 GMT 8
everytime i fly a helo i get a bullshit gunner, if i gun i get a bullshit pilot. they don't hover in the good spots or fly out of control when i'm trying to gun people down. they don't know how to avoid other helos.
u click the direction constantly to "guide" the missle.
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Post by malavern on Apr 29, 2007 23:25:33 GMT 8
in that case, you should be my co pilot, i have the exact same deal... though i'm better at flying then gunning..
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Post by Noa on Apr 30, 2007 4:00:09 GMT 8
I'll be gunner I love the minigun n' missile.
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Post by malavern on Apr 30, 2007 17:15:33 GMT 8
just promise that you wont bail if i fly too close to the deck... i'm used to flying around 2-4 feet above the ground... (according to the altimeter anyways)
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Post by Noa on May 1, 2007 8:07:09 GMT 8
Hahaha. The MEC attack helicoptor's cannon acts pretty good as a turret when you leave the helicoptor on the ground.
I'll bail when I know the helicoptor will go boom.
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Post by conspiracy on May 1, 2007 10:45:29 GMT 8
i never bail till its necessary, i fly low as well thru the trees but when theres a tank/apc i know when to fly up to allow my gunner to take it out.
ok now we have mal, me and noa in helos. we need 1 more and can helo war each other. to find the perfect helo team.
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Post by malavern on May 1, 2007 12:17:12 GMT 8
Arclight is superb in the TV missile slot... though i bit lacking in the miniguns..
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Post by Noa on May 1, 2007 12:46:02 GMT 8
Is it just me or the fking airplanes hard to use.
My friend here is learning the helo so I can get more practice in the tv missile.
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Post by Arclight on May 1, 2007 15:33:01 GMT 8
Hey, I'm fine with the minigun, you jsut can't hold the front arc of the helo on the target area long enough most of the time.
ANYWAY, yes, I'm also trainning to fly the damn thing too; so far I'm ok with transports and staying hi altitude with planes but I'll need alot more practice to do Helos.
SAY, Jeremy, we should do a LAN session some time; purley to practice flying the gunships....yeah, that would be very handy, a couple of hours of pure uninterupted flight practice, very useful...
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Post by malavern on May 1, 2007 23:56:17 GMT 8
sure, but when though?
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Post by Noa on May 2, 2007 4:13:47 GMT 8
Gotta love it when you take down the enemy plane then have your own team mates steal it right off the helipad
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Post by xurbit on May 2, 2007 8:52:55 GMT 8
I'm a good pliot for the helicopter, still learning the bascis for the gunner TV guided missles, the planes are that hard to use, like archlight said (The maps are oftenly to small and hence you just fly out and into the restricted area)
But overall I sill need the exp. To do be a good pliot. Its just with helicopters I always get a heat locked on even thou i deploy counter mesaures and evasive actions. next thing you know I'm smoking and of couse then shot down.
Xt
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Post by Magiaz on May 2, 2007 18:53:03 GMT 8
3 things kill heli's, planes, AA sites and .50 machine guns (hummers etc.)
Heli's can't really do much against planes, since even if they use counter measures and avoid the missiles, the Machine gun strafing will kill sooner or later, so they only have limited effectiveness unless there is air superiority.
Its also important to memorise where all the AA sites are, and then TV missile them as you approach the area your planning to attack.
With .50's its a matter of killing them before they kill you and then running back for repairs.
Anything else can't hurt you unless you stay stationary.
"you jsut can't hold the front arc of the helo on the target area long enough"
Jeremy tends to move alot and be very evasive, while I usually tend to move slower and maximise the ability of my gunner to turret away.
From my gunning experience its really annoying to try and gun someone while the copters at full speed or turning alot, but generally the TV guided missile can be used without much difficulty on the go.
Its not that jeremy "jsut can't hold" the front arc on a target, he chooses not to. Its just the way he flies. When i'm gunning for jeremy, i hardly ever bother with the gun, devoting my time to spotting tanks / AA targets and using the missiles.
While I frequently hold my front arc on a target, it makes me much more vulnerable, especially to AT infantry, which rarely bother jeremy. On the other hand my gunner spends most of his time laughing and he mows down the infantry.
Either way, both methods are a double edged sword.
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Post by malavern on May 2, 2007 22:20:25 GMT 8
Me helo and plane skills have improved alot since we last flew Magi..
I shot down 3 F35Bs today b4 needign to go for a reload today...
AND shot down an incoming F35B with the Mi28... lol poor bastard... I could imagine him screaming at his machine!! lolz
BTW, i do alot of sideways flying and backwards flying now... (wihtout hittign stuff like i used to), And i'm still good at popping up behind trees/bushes/hills and going back down to hide right after gettign a shot or 2 off... eheh!!
Imagine for an instant, an enemy squad in front of a copse of trees, or thick bushes, hearing a rotary bladed aircraft nearby, but unable to spot it. Imagine the feelings going through his mind, Imagine the thoughts, "Where is he?! I can hear him, but i cant see him, where the he.."
*Whoosh* Up i come with my co-pilot smiling smugly with our chaingun pointed straight in his face, before he could shout a warning to his squad mates, he'd become a smear of red on the floor, with the rest of his squad falling to the same fate.
A nearby squad turns to see what all the commotion was about, but just as fast as we appeared, we've once again settled down behidn the trees once again, leaving the enemy squad reeling in confusion upon seeing the havoc wreaked upon their fellow team mates.
;D
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Post by Ferox on May 2, 2007 22:53:27 GMT 8
I like to gun in heli's, thats about it. I hate flying anything, and the spawn camping to pick up the vehicle is ridiculous.
One thing I do try specialise in though is AA, since on most Asian servers, planes dominate to such a degree, no one else can play unless they get shot down.
Never ever sit in an AA turret until the plane has flown over you. I tend to hide near it, lying down. As soon as the plane flies over, I'm in launching missles.
Try not to fire until they launch their counter measures.
If you miss, flee, get away from the site, they will hunt you down and slay you on their next run.
If someone is sitting in it already without obeying the first rule, take cover. Since like Magiaz says, they memorise the sites, they attack them with deadly accuracy while staying out of range. Plus, when someone sits in an AA turret, they light up like a christmas tree, and you don't want to get Santa's special delivery.
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Post by malavern on May 3, 2007 10:45:04 GMT 8
rofl, true that Ferox, though what i really enjoy is a good squad following my lead, or the waypoints i've laid out.
Seeing it work is like a well greased gear running smoothly in a tuned up gearbox. sometimes only 1 professionally played squad can turn the tide of the entire game! no matter the odds!
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Post by Arclight on May 3, 2007 14:11:17 GMT 8
Fixed sites are 99% proof death.
They almost always put you in an upright, open, uncovered location thats visible at least to medium range, if not long. Plus, your limited view means you don't know you're taking fire untill you're actualy hit and even then it takes like 3 seconds to disembark a static weapon and ages to run for cover.
So if the aircraft misses, and the the ground vehicals don't notice; infatry sure as hell will.
The ONLY exception are the mounted systems in the "home" bases, or at least edge-of-map ones on some maps (like airfields in most maps); in those situations, you tend to be holding the area well and so you're pretty free from attack from ground units.
But in the end, yes, I feel BF2 is toaly dominated by air; tanks are powerful, but co-ordinated efforts take them down fast, but aircraft DAMN THEM.
What few weapons are remotley capable of taking them down will rarely be able to take them down before taking lethal return fire. AT rockets take 2-3 strikes, Barrett takes 5 or 6 lucky hits, .50BMGs can work if you hit the cockpit/rotors repeatedly, alot, for a long time.
So far, the most effective solution I have tested for taking down aircraft is by forming a speified helo-hunting party; 6 guys in 2 hummers, pilots, gunners and at least one AT riding in each vehical.
Drivers trail after helo's, guns aim for cockpit (easier to hit on the move, rotor stalk is low visibility and tiny), when the helo comes in for a return strike, ATs hit them on the nose/belly/tail as they fly towards/over/away from your point.
It's still risky, but can be done; especialy if your drivers know the map well enough to use the terrain for cover (as low-flying helo pilots are few and far between).
In the mean time, yes, I need to learn how to fly.
Yes Jere I know you think some serves are ok for that, but case in point, last time we played I got into a gunner seat twice and not one pilot seat once.
I NEED to get on a LAN for flight trainning BADLY.
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Post by malavern on May 3, 2007 17:44:37 GMT 8
Though i understand why you feel that aircrafts rule the game when they appear, but, they are easy enough to take down, once you know how. You just need to use ALL of the resources around you.
One thing i've realized about most players, is that they dont fully utilize all the tools available for you, i.e. Most players ignore the map altogether when out hunting for ppl, or providing reinforcements. Spot targets as you see them, or better yet, Spot locations when you feel that there is/was someone there. It'll improve the chances of you or your squad staying alive!!
The sound system is equally as important. You were complaining about not being able to hear the lock-on beep from your own sound system, and saying that you hear it on my machine. You're the gunner, I'm the pilot. The Pilot CANNOT hear the lock-on sounds for the gunner, and likewise for the gunner. However, what you can hear is when enemy planes/AA locks on to the aircraft you're flying in.
When i was flying, i clearly heard the lock-on signal blastign out of YOUR speakers, not Mine... and if you werent so busy looking at me whilst talking, you could've hit those targets!! If you wanna talk, talk, just dont take your eyes off the screen. You may also need to shout over some of the combat sounds.
Another thing, if someone kills your squadmate within close proximity of your own person, switch to f/a and go spray the bastard before coming to ressurect him/her. If he's around the corner, then he'll most likely be reloading, therefore giving you just enough time to lob a grenade AT the corner and change bac kto your primary b4 he jumps out from aroudn the corner...
Another thing, Don't stand still, EVER. You get fustrated easily when you get killed, you ask how they can kill you so easily, Twould be a small miracle for them not to hit a stationary person.. always be moving, whether strafing, moving backwards, crouching, and diving, rolling, sliding, anything. However, everytime you fire let go of the directional button for a split second, BUT remember to continue moving immedietly afterwards!!
You complain about inaccuracy, use the crosshairs, unless the target is pointblank, ALWAYS use the crosshair.
When firing at range, ALWAYS use single shot, unless you're providing suppressing fire!!
Something else to help you.
Before you start any game, set the settings to the following:
Common: Sensitivity - 2.00 Switch weapon - 9 Parachute - f
Vehicles: Sensitivity - 4.00 Yaw - 4.00 Tilt (cant remember the right word) - 4.00
Aircraft: Sensitivity - 6.80 Yaw - 6.00 Tilt - 6.00
Helicopter: Sensitivity - 7.80 (8.50 if you stunt fly) Yaw - 7.00 (8.00) Tilt - 7.00 (8.00)
Boat: Sensitivity - 4.00
*Save settings*
Always make sure view distance is maxed, even if you have to turn all the other visual settings down. Best resolution for BF2 is 1024x768
Sound settings: Music - Off Voice-Over - Off (turns off the stupid help voice) Sound device - Hardware Sound Quality - High
*Save Settings*
There you're all ready to play!!
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Post by Magiaz on May 3, 2007 21:04:08 GMT 8
"really enjoy is a good squad following my lead" Then why do you spend so much time in aircraft, instead of being bombed on the ground and getting crushed by tanks like everyone else? Though I admit you improved in that respect somewhat. "Imagine the feelings going through his mind" I imagine what he is feeling is how pissed off he is at how overpowered helo's are. Annoyance would be more likely than fear. If there was an AA class with something like the near insta-hit stinger from DC, BF2 would be so much better. No matter how you fly the helo (as long as you don't crash it), infantry are free kills. "Never ever sit in an AA turret" yes. "Fixed sites are 99% proof death" Never, ever, get in one, except for the 3/4 of a second you plan to use firing it. An empty site shows up on the map, so if you sit next to it but not in it the aircraft think there's no one in it. then when they fly overhead, spot them, get in the turret, lock and shoot (which has a 98% chance of missing), after counters if you can and then after you've pissed him off, get out and run like love as he bombs the AA site. then wait for the site to respawn. It doesn't work. at all. but its the only thing you can do. "ground vehicals don't notice; infatry sure as hell will" If your on an aircraft map, ground vehicles and infantry are the least of your worries. unless your airborne you are near useless except for capping points, and preventing the capture of your airfeild. "hey are easy enough to take down, once you know how" no. "just need to use ALL of the resources" sure. get in a plane. You can have the enemy plane permanantly spotted, and all it achieves is that you know which direction your getting killed from. You could have guys in every single tank, car and aa battery on the map and it would accomplish nothing. The Aircraft Carrier AA almost works. Almost. but unless the pilot loves up, its not happening. "However, everytime you fire let go of the directional button for a split second, BUT remember to continue moving immedietly afterwards!!" pretty much. though if he wants to die less i'd advocate using cover more often if i was giving generic advice. Arclight, more likely it is because you play medic. they don't have body armour and as such die faster than some of the other classes. that, latency, and headshots are the other reasons for losing a one on one fight. If your playing medic, it shouldent be a battle to see who can kill who faster, play a hit and run game so you can abuse your self healing ability. Thats what all the medic guides say. You probably know this already, but jeremy didnt mention these possibilities, so i figured i might as well. Sorry if i'm stating anything to obvious. "Before you start any game, set the settings to the following" I agree with jeremy on that. I personally set the copter sensitivity to max, but thats just my preference. Which is ultimately why i can't stand playing any map other than strike at karkand, mashtur city or warlord. Penisula is sometimes okay. bf2s.com/player/70447674/bf2s.com/player/43716216/bf2s.com/player/95216757/check the maps stats. If you want to enjoy BF2, get in a plane and play wake, or play strike at karkand, the only original BF2 map without a single heli or plane. Karkand is still a tank = win map, but at least you can actually kill a tank.
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Post by malavern on May 3, 2007 21:56:21 GMT 8
I wasnt talking about planes, anyone can see where i plane is coming from, I was stating that you SHOULD spot ground targets, as soon as you see em.
One big thing you should remember is this: If you cant kill it, dont attract attention from it...
There are people out there, who i will not name, be using Medic, see a tank, or an apc drving close by, the driver/gunner doesnt see you, so they continue to drive by. But Noooo... YOU had to plink at it with you measly rifle and draw its attention!! FFS when you see a tank, and you realise that they havent seen you, Dive into cover ASAP, if no cover, then lie prone on the floor, preferably behind a small bump on the ground, or in tall-ish grass, if all else fails, LEGGIT!! sideways away from it, behind cover...
O, and that AA thing, I so happen to have taken down 6 planes in a static AA spot b4 having gotten bored and finding myself a helo to do some flag hopping!!
I also disagree that planes ALWAYS rule, A well placed shot from any upgraded rifle (G36, ScarH, G3, F2000, MG36, The 2nd support upgrade, and the M80 sniper rifle), can and will kill a plane.
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Post by malavern on May 3, 2007 22:01:35 GMT 8
Infantry are not free kills, as there are plenty of ways to hide from helos, or when a sufficiently large enough squad decides to shoot at the helo, you WILL take it down.
The new patch has significantly lowered the armor of all aircrafts, fixed wings to rotary bladed. Note: the helo must also have a good gunner, but in most cases, either the pilots a 'tard, or the gunners' a 'tard. and in the rare events when both are good players, then yes maybe you are fucked... but then there are still ways to avoid gettign killed.. Note2: the guns on helos have reduced splash radius, so unless the shots land either at your feet, or on you, you WILL NOT DIE!!!
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Post by Ferox on May 3, 2007 22:06:33 GMT 8
Yeah, if the plane is on fire and about to die, then a majority of those guns will make it explode... Otherwise, just no. Hell, I've even shot down a plane with a pistol in that situation. But otherwise, just no. Here are some fun photo demonstrated tips: Timing is everything Look before you leap Be inconspicous Aviod incoming fire Here are some awesome tips from this link! Follow these rules to be awesomely awesome! www.somethingawful.com/d/guides/guide-mastering-battlefield.php?page=1Revive Fallen Teammates In the Middle of Firefights! - Medics are equipped with the awesome power of revival, resuscitating teammates from the dead. As many BF2 games have proven, the primary cause of death is by being killed, so hang out in an area where a bunch of people are being shot by opposing troops. Then, while gunfire constantly erupts around you from the surrounding enemy team, sweep in like an angel of mercy and revive as many comrades as possible! It doesn't matter if there's absolutely no chance of anybody escaping the firefight alive once you awaken them to the land of the living, the whole goal is to simply revive them! After that, they're on their own; it's not like it's your job to keep them from dying! If you're feeling particularly generous, maybe you can scatter some medikits all over the ground so when they instantly die, their corpses can kind of pose with them and it will look cute. Pilot Transport Helicopters Without Any Passengers! - As everybody knows, flying is a dangerous job, one which only the most trained sniper can accomplish! Do not risk other teammates to the perils of being shot down in a fiery explosion; get in transport choppers and leave your base without anybody on board! The weight of additional passengers will simply slow you down and make you an easier target for anti-aircraft stations and enemy jets, so do your team a favor and fly everywhere solo. After all, transport helicopters weren't created to actually transport anything. They were originally designed as very large and inefficient paperweights. Don't Bother to Practice Flying! - Piloting helicopters and jets are one of those things that are best learned during online games with other players. Don't worry if you've never flown one before, and you lost your BF2 instruction manual, and you have no computer monitor, and instead of hands you have bulbous, sweaty claws that flail out uncontrollably at random objects surrounding you. Just hop on in and hope for the best! If you're really unsure how to fly, like you experience extreme difficulty when attempting to determine which direction is "up" and which direction is "the bathroom," request other teammates to hop in and fly with you. They'll offer tomes of useful advice and will gladly take over the controls after you've flown so badly that you've somehow ended up in a completely different game altogether. The Spec Ops Class is Awesome! - As a spec ops soldier, you get the ultimate weapon: C4! Place these little bundles of joy on every single object you can find, such as team vehicles or anti-aircraft emplacements or flags or chairs or other mounds of C4 that all the other spec ops people dumped together to build a shrine memorializing Jim Varney. You can best serve your team by loading your jeep with C4 and driving it directly into an enemy flag. You really never end up killing anybody, but oh boy, it's really intimidating and the psychological damage to the enemy team is utterly priceless. Many people have actually quit and uninstalled Battlefield 2 after being exposed to such a violent, horrific attack! These people are now in mental institutions. Also, when you play as spec ops, you get a red hat which alone makes it worthwhile. ntentionally Run Into Your Own Team's Artillery Strikes! - Catch them like snowflakes on your tongue, then punish for a team kill when the snowflakes blow you to hell. If you're really talented, you can step on a teammate's land mine the exact instant the artillery kills you. Perhaps a future patch for BF2 will allow you to punish multiple people for team kills! Also maybe somebody will make a game where you just login and repeatedly press a button to punish other people and you try to obtain the least negative score. Small Arms Fire Will Eventually Destroy Any Tank! - If you spot an enemy (or friendly) tank, and you lack any explosive devices to take it out, just crouch and shoot your pistol at it until the driver gives up and commits suicide. If you aim at its gas tank, it will instantly explode in a huge fireball, just like in that Michael Bay movie about the virgin clones who pilot flying motorcycles. And finally:
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