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Post by Magiaz on May 3, 2007 22:19:43 GMT 8
"to hide from helos"
get in a building, and never leave it. yeah, thats always -great- fun. I love doing that. I don't play bf2 for fun, i do it so i can spend the majority of 6 hours of gaming hiding inside a building, hoping a random bomb or missile doesn't end up getting through a window.
"A well placed shot from any upgraded rifle (G36, ScarH, G3, F2000, MG36, The 2nd support upgrade, and the M80 sniper rifle), can and will kill a plane."
thats one serious patch upgrade. before, it took 300 PKM bullets to kill a helo at point blank range. i tested. pretty much the same for a plane as well. I shot the plane engines, the turbine, the cockpit etc, and it did the same damage all over. if its possible to kill a plane, even grounded, using every single bullet, including backup clips, from any assault rifles, please fraps it and show me. I admit i tested that a while ago, but it was a very basic conclusion then that nothing short of a .50 calibre mounted Mgun had any hope of doing anything to a plane.
"the rare events when both are good players"
they don't need to be good players, just not completely retarded, only mildly retarded is enough to dominate a 64 player server. if they are actually good, it just means your even more doomed than you were before.
"sufficiently large enough squad decides to shoot at the helo, you WILL take it down"
no? unless your talking 6 AT guys, and even then, odds are largely in favour of the heli. I recall playing wake island, a spawn taken by US being whored by a helo, and with about 8 guys respawning off the point, constantly as AT, myself included. I will say that only 2 of us were competant at it, hiding in a bunker, mostly safe and throwing out AT rockets, occasionally landing a hit, though he'd just fly off and repair. even the times we did kill him, he was back in 15 seconds anyway, and for each time he'd died, they'd gunned down a couple million noobs. I will say that he was an excellent pilot / gunner, and most of the AT guys sucked, but still.
My point stays the same. Be in an aircraft, or play karkand/warlord. Only way to accomplish anything. 64 player wake? fun for the 8 guys in aircraft, the rest do nothing but get bombed.
I agree with everything in ferox's previous post. there is more wisdom in that then every single post in this thread combined.
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Post by Ferox on May 3, 2007 23:12:00 GMT 8
I hate BF2. The only reasons I play is to ram things, make things explode, and annoy others. BF2 is the new low standard, the new CS if you will, and I will do anything to irritate people in this lame game. The only reason I play is to teabag people and get cheap kills for a huge laugh.
I just run around hurting people's feelings, suiciding and ramming things, there is nothing else to do in the game, while trying to look competent in the process, otherwise you end up like Magiaz, hiding in a building hoping to gawd a missile doesn't fly in through the window, or whoring a vehicle.
Sure, you could cap flags and earn points and 'be cool' with your new rank, but just remember, everytime you kill a person, you die a little bit inside, and evertime you die in game, you die inside alot.
Best BF2 tactic? Cover all your teammate's vehicles in C4, press the button, Alt+F4. Win.
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Post by malavern on May 4, 2007 0:30:35 GMT 8
if you think bf2 is too cheap, and you dont enjoy playing it, then dont FUCKING PLAY IT!! and stop posting useless comments when i'm trying to tell ppl the most effective ways.
And how long has it been since YOU last played Magi?
Aircraft on the ground and aircraft in the air have different armor values. go test it out on your Vista's laptop, o wait, i forgot, VISTA does NOT support BF2...
GO F*CK YOURSELFS!!
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Post by Ferox on May 4, 2007 1:36:48 GMT 8
Dude, relax, we're basically saying there is no effective way to play, no matter what tactics or ideas, you're gonna get pwned! The only reasonable thing to do is camp, hide, gank or be a tard. I perfer the last one. ^^ Case and point: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXN9QLDxIEM
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Post by Magiaz on May 4, 2007 2:02:12 GMT 8
"posting useless comments"
what.
i'm still waiting for a fraps vid of a plane being shot out the air by an assault rifle.
We are discussing the most effective way to play. The key is to use the best vehicles available, as not being in them makes life insanely difficulty.
Since I last played? About two weeks? That makes my opinion invalid somehow?
since we are discussing tactics, why are you constantly slamming arclight instead? There's giving advice and there's being condensending.
BF2 is fun if your dominating the skies or if you have an effective squad on karkand / mashtur city. But otherwise yeah, it drives me insane. The only reason i play in the first place is due to wanting to do something involving teamwork, although it rarely comes to that its awesome when it does.
We ARE discussing tactics. I'm arguing that there is no effective anti air tactics. Agreeing with ferox, in an aircraft map there is no effective way to play. All you can do is steal the enemy planes. Which relies on the enemy planes getting shot down. Which can only happens if you have competant pilots on your side at the start. Since planes are the only realistic option of killing another plane.
So either be a pilot or don't play on an aircraft map. Or heaven forbid i should play the game for fun instead of trying to playing to win.
I like to play games seriously, but BF2 just isn't an option for that. No vehicles Karkand is also fun, though it truly is grenade spam.
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Post by malavern on May 4, 2007 11:00:51 GMT 8
Ask Arclight, 2 days ago at S7, playing of EA UAE, Wake island, I shot down 2 helos with the .50 cal Sniper, 1 F35b with the ScarH, and 1 F35b with the PKM...
recieved my 1 ribbon, and 1 medal Legion of Merit ribbon (IAR: 50 team points) Good Conduct Badge (IAR: 27 kills, No TKs, No Team Damage, No Vehicle damage)
FRAPS... not everyone uses it, that plus the fact it slows the cpu down just enough to prevent you from doing your best in a MP game, most ppl wont bother, unless they are deliberatly screwing around.
Apparently you guys have been playing in the wrong servers, instead of going back to the cheap servers, go to ones where admins are actually on most of the time, with preset rules and conditions for fair play.
o, and about that vid of a plane being shot down with an AR? go to youtube, last tiem i was there, i'm sure that there were a few!!
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Post by Arclight on May 5, 2007 0:19:56 GMT 8
Aye, the most important factor in BF2 is dumb luck, but thats true of any FPS. Aye, there is no best aircraft strategy and indeed it is the most contravertial subject in BF2 tactical discussion. As for knocking helos out of the sky with small arms fire, though hard, I have managed it on more then one occasion REMEMBERING that more then half the time the kill is achived not on the vehical but on the cockpit occupants LONG before the aircraft is smoked. lol Wtf is that? Kill or be killed, it's just points o' fun to me. Bah, this whole thread is getting way too dramatic anyway. All this was suppose to be was a somewhat helpful pooling of ideas, not neccisarily right, or justified, just a sharing of thoughts. A discussion of opinions and obervations, take it with a pinch of salt, then go off and try it yourself. At the end of the day... ~ * Dumb Luck * ~...so...whatever.
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Post by malavern on May 5, 2007 0:55:55 GMT 8
indeed, Arclight got it right... Man, i'm too easy to piss off... i really should try to change...
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OOoooo... Free Jap-porn, must go dL
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Post by Magiaz on May 5, 2007 3:13:59 GMT 8
Fair enough.
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Post by fludblud on Jul 20, 2007 18:02:06 GMT 8
*looks at thread*
ah, vanilla bf2. such happy days they were... until i found project reality!
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Post by Magiaz on Jul 21, 2007 10:44:55 GMT 8
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This post is relevant to my interests.
Tell me moar. Though I'm more interest in balance than realism in most cases...
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Post by Ferox on Jul 23, 2007 23:58:16 GMT 8
The mod is very funny! bullets are more realistic, the way weapons work, everything. An example...you need to get into a vehicle while pressing E at a door on it, so just walking up to a tank and pressing E won't cut it, you need to climb up onto the tank and then to the hatch and then press E! Missiles are more devestating as well, and they take ages to reload. Check it out on youtube. ---------- Anyway, enough about that, here is Oclan on BF2, showing it can be done! Pest, Magiaz and myself all working together. With a decent squad, we captured a critical point and held it till the end of the game, sadly the rest of our team wasn't so competent and we lost the match, but Oclan kicked some ass anyway! www.youtube.com/watch?v=bir1xqO0NUo
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Post by malavern on Jul 24, 2007 2:09:38 GMT 8
Ferox: There's a mine around the corner, Magi you go first.
...BOOM... Medic!
Ferox: Pest go revive him
...zzZZAP!!
rofl
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Post by pestexterminator on Jul 24, 2007 13:39:39 GMT 8
Yo - pestex is actually phantom- pestexterminator is me - lol a little confusing
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Post by Magiaz on Jul 24, 2007 13:57:39 GMT 8
hey it works. No real other way to defuse the mine ;p doesn't effect my score any and keeps things moving...
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Post by malavern on Jul 24, 2007 15:50:30 GMT 8
actually it does affect your scores... it lowers your k/d ratio, which leads you to getting less overall global score.
Thats why you should aim to keep a minimum of 1.0 ratio in as many areas as you can, or the most commonly used kits...
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Post by Ferox on Jul 24, 2007 18:34:03 GMT 8
Thats why you should aim to keep a minimum of 1.0 ratio in as many areas as you can, or the most commonly used kits... Or else you will be the execute! Wah Wah Wee Wah!
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Post by Magiaz on Jul 24, 2007 20:46:55 GMT 8
Yeah but the death only registers the number of re spawns made, not each time your shot to zero health if I recall correctly. Even if it doesn't, meh.
Played again tonight w/ fer / phantom / xer, had a decent but tough match on Jalabad.
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Post by malavern on Jul 25, 2007 0:31:51 GMT 8
why dont you guys tell me that you're gonna play bf2? shit i could've joined in... good friends you are!
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Post by Magiaz on Jul 25, 2007 0:57:40 GMT 8
because we hate and despise you, thats why.
Yeah I'll sms next time we start up.
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Post by malavern on Jul 25, 2007 0:59:21 GMT 8
aight..
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Post by HF on Aug 2, 2007 22:43:46 GMT 8
Car-bomb rush, anyone?
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Post by malavern on Aug 7, 2007 22:10:06 GMT 8
car bomb rushes are illegal in most ranked servers, due to the fact that kamikazikai made it a bit too popular!
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Post by Ferox on Aug 7, 2007 22:28:20 GMT 8
car bomb rushes are illegal in most ranked servers, due to the fact that kamikazikai made it a bit too popular! I tap island and cast unsummon, return spell to hand. www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJj0sTgNKq0
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Post by malavern on Aug 17, 2007 13:05:03 GMT 8
thats assuming there's an admin on site to monitor the game, which sadly, almost never is, and whe nthey are there, they tend to abuse their admin rights!
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