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Post by Arclight on Oct 16, 2006 23:26:22 GMT 8
Ok, so I've decided to kick off my long time dream of building up a sniper weapon, SO, let the pre-shopping chat begin... So first things first, my heart is absolutley set on the Maruzen APS Type-96 so I want to find the best deal; I'm open to second hand to so if anyone can help me out then please do. Ok, I also want to look into upgrading the weapon to a power of around 1.8 - 1.9 j and optimising range and accuracy so again I do want decent and reliable but a cheap solution would be nice. Also, of course, I'll need a decent scope (nothing uber fancy but not cheap either, a decent quality variable-zoom illuminated-crosshair type is what I'm looking for, of course) as well as a bipod. So, the most effective/economical solutions are ideal so I'm open to ideas there to. So, if anyone can help me out along those lines, that would be great; for the time being I'm going with the notion that a brand new Maruzen 96 is $1980 and decent scopes are around $500+ but other then that I'm not sure on numbers so any advice/info you could offer would be great. OH, and I'll be looking for a rifle bag too. Not a huge ass one for general gun carrying, I mean a small long one for carrying a rifle only if you know what I mean. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help at all.
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Post by Noa on Oct 17, 2006 0:38:48 GMT 8
Research...
Make a list...
Find alternatives...
Adjust budget (usually I increase budget by a few hundred for me...)
Go on site for parts availabilty (and cry when parts are n/a)
Finalize the order and priorities of parts...
Schedule upgrades when weapon requires stages for completion...
And enjoy!
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Data reference:
My bolt action sniper rifle (GAS)
KJ M700 $ 1000 scope $ 400 scope ring $ 150 bipod $ 250 red gas $ under 100 sniper rifle bag $190-350
yay for overpowered gun.... with my fav scope (reticule illumination, mildot/notch w/ elevation bars.
Spring, cylinder, piston, piston head...etc parts will cost you around $1000 depending how many and what kind you get.
Go for CA, they have APS type upgrades for most/all parts.
But the PSS parts would be better I guess? (quality) But more expensive.
1.9J would require you to get a stronger (metal FTW?) piston and piston head. But always consult with the gunshop of your choice and decide with their recommendations in mind. I.e. you usually don't got wrong with more money spent on good parts.... right? xD
Some good stuff you might consider:
- PSS Zero Trigger (may need modification) - Gas cylinder (swap out the spring one with gas) - Barrel spacer (barrel wobble decreases accuracy) - Tightbore barrels w/ adjustable hopup <- IMPORTANT - Reinforced hopup if not already included. - STRAIGHT/GRANDMASTER .29/.3 and another heavier weight precision BB's. $100 per 500 shots. Makes a difference. But you may have to decide if it's worth it. I used 1000 shots and went back to using .25s... cuz I use a MSG90 and it's semi xD
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Post by Arclight on Oct 17, 2006 10:03:55 GMT 8
Well, as it happens I don't want to go gas with this one, sticking to spring. So ok, I have to budget an extra 1000 for internal upgrades, ok I'll keep that in mind. The idea with this little project is that rather then buy things in phaes and stage up the upgrades, I am instead gonna save up for a while and try and do as much as possible in one go. Heance, I am trying to work out figures so I can formulate how much I do need to save and what it is that I am saving for. But yeah, thanks for the info; if anyone has any further ideas/suggestions for more precise ideas of internal parts (I'm a noob when it comes to parts ) then please do share. IN terms of exactly which upgrades with which parts, I'm trying to kick of a dialog here so I can learn as much as I can (as, no doubt, I will have pleanty fo time to plan while I gather funds together).
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Post by Dev on Oct 17, 2006 14:51:32 GMT 8
if you're in anyway able to add a rail - I suggest for the heck of coolness, get a laser for those tight situations =ppppp
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Post by sk8s on Oct 17, 2006 15:49:04 GMT 8
Uh, dev, you obviously missed the point of "sniper project". When you get into tight spots that's when your sidearm (small smg/handgun) comes in...
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Post by Goliath on Oct 17, 2006 18:22:38 GMT 8
The Maruzen L96 needs a HELL of a lot of work to get to 1.8J
You'll need to replace the trigger unit, cylinder set and piston and spring etc. That's already $1500 - 2000.
Then the Stock Hop-up and inner barrel on the Maruzen is utter shit. REALLY bad. So you'd have to get a PDI hopup for it, and an AEG type tightbore to go with. More money. $1000 there.
TBH if you want an L96 - go with the new Chinese copy. It's very nice - and it comes at about 2.4J as stock, and the cylinder and hop-up and barrel are copied off upgraded PDI stuff and hence are waaaaaaaaay better than the crapfest that is the stock Maruzen L96.
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Post by sirrith on Oct 17, 2006 19:01:04 GMT 8
um... NO you dont want the chinese one, apparantly (according to FC) lots of returns at gunners and besides, a sniper does NOT just have a high powered rifle. a sniper has an ACCURATE rifle that can shoot at long ranges, i doubt the chinese version can do that without the precision aftermarket parts, which create a more consistent action, and therefore better groupings at longer ranges, so end cost will be around the same anyway to get the rifle the best it can be, you'll need this (go for laylax parts, they're more readily available): laylax zero trigger 3 element piston teflon coated cylinder cylinder head spring guide spring tightbore aftermarket hopup unit (either laylax or PDI will do) barrel spacers as for a scope.. i recommend a G&P m1, great optics, illuminated reticle you could go for tasco i guess, but the quality isnt as good
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Post by ironlord on Oct 17, 2006 21:18:07 GMT 8
I don't believe the Chinese L96 has been properly tested to prove or disprove its abilities.
But, to be honest, most of the "previous-gen" (2+ yrs) bolt action marksmen rifles - spring or gas - have been on the market quite a long time. Unlike CA, I find the Japanese manufacturers are loath to lower prices, even when competitors market similar or superior guns for less money.
Hence, just because "it's a Maruzen" doesn't necessarily mean it's good value. =)
Al.
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Post by aznsk8s87 on Oct 17, 2006 21:20:07 GMT 8
Lol... hey, question, regarding the thing you've got covering your scope, Sirrith, if i used a regular (no illum) crosshair would I still be able to see?
Reason is I've got a 3-9X40 Tasco (it was only 110 at supreme) for my APS-2, not sure how to protect it.
BPR, if you want a cheap sniper rifle, I've heard that the clone VSR's are quite nice... can't beat $350 at gunner's!
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Post by Noa on Oct 17, 2006 21:41:16 GMT 8
You want to protect your scope's objective lens?
You could just use normal scope cover that comes with tasco for protection during transport
but take it off when in game cuz you wouldn't need it really :S
but then again a flipup cover is handy to keep the lens reflection hidden.
So you might want to get a scope extender or a killflash w/ flipup cover (CA or a real one at Supreme).
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Post by Arclight on Oct 17, 2006 22:59:25 GMT 8
Well ok, I'll read over all that info you guys threw at me eventualy... In any case, just to clarify, yes it is a sniper weapon, I fall back on the side arm in the event of tight spots. I am totaly hooked on the L96 and so yes I realise it will need alot of work which is exactly why I'm asking around for advice. Yes I realise that there are cheaper options out there, and gas is more powerful, but I just love the L96 to much to give up and I'm just not keen on gas all that much (plus, I do like the idea of a deathly silent rifle ). EDITNow that I think about it some more, I have to say that maybe the few thousand that I have would be better spent on tricking out my M4 instead of embarking on what could be a very long and ardeous project. What do we think? Sinking the cash into the M4 might be a better idea... Is it possible to get an M4 up to 1.8j and up to almost sniper standard? As a ROF monster, it don't need crazy accuracy but a power and range boost, an integrated rail, maybe a new scope... OR Maybe just the rail system, keep it at 1.6j and just work on range and accuracy...maybe a launcher... An OD CASV might be nice...flip-down sights...hurricane scope....hmm... Well ok then...~>
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Post by sirrith on Oct 18, 2006 14:59:44 GMT 8
quite frankly, no. theres no chance of getting an m4 or armalite varient of any kind (yes, even the sr25) close to sniping standards. well, actually, since 'close to' is subjective, then yes i suppose you could, but not from my POV. theres too many moving parts in an AEG, so unless you get the system like the PSG1, where the piston is already cocked back before each shot, theres no chance of getting your aeg up to sniping standards. now, about where to spend your money.. if you arent sure, then dont do it. only go for sniper rifles if your SURE 100% that you want to be a sniper, cause the chances are you wont enjoy it (well, you'll enjoy shooting, but you wont enjoy waiting for targets, you wont enjoy only having 1 shot etc...) so id say upgrade your m4, then maybe try using it on semi, and limiting your ROF to 1 shot every 2-3 seconds, and try playing sniper role with that. then if you enjoy it, maybe borrow someone elses rifle for a game, see how you like, then if you do like, go for the L96 or you could get the chinese version and try sniping with it, just to get the feel of a bolt action, then upgrade the hell out of it later on (or buy a maruzen and do the same thing)
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Post by xurbit on Oct 18, 2006 17:23:20 GMT 8
I tottaly agree with everyone sorry that I cant be much help my advice is to just make list of what yopu want to purchase, get information on prices etc. Maruzen APS? They have that? o_0' I am planing to only get a tanaka but will be very later
Xt
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Post by aznsk8s87 on Oct 18, 2006 17:48:30 GMT 8
Well, BPR, don't want to discourage you or anything ;D
If you really want a sniper then I'd say go for it. I'm working on my sniper loadout but that's only because I got lucky (friend gave me his for free), but it's pretty costly.
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Post by xurbit on Oct 18, 2006 17:56:21 GMT 8
You got yours for free? o_0' damn man your so lucky, dont know if tanaka are good for snipers I fear it could break easily.
Xt
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Post by Arclight on Oct 18, 2006 19:50:08 GMT 8
Oh don't worry guys, I'm not discouraged in the slightest; anyone who's ever assesed how I play (wargame, paintball and even cadet trainning scenerios back in the day) I am 50% Sniper and 50% Support Gunner in my natural default battlefield behaviour. The only reason I'm not going to get s sniper this time is financial, the same reason why my other fave weapon is the M249 Para but again it's a rather steep investment. I just figure that tricking out the M4 is more financialy viable which is more economical considering that the M4 will probably get more use in the long run anyway. But yeah, I probably will get the chinese one as a "starter" sometime, but for now I'm gonna stick to the M4. ACTUALY, thats a point, maybe I should explore the 249 option a little more to... BTW, just to let you guys know, I'm not an indecisive person I'm just planning thoroughly; I have no intention of spending a single dollar untill I'm absolutley positive I know what I want.
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