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Post by Arclight on Apr 18, 2007 18:00:21 GMT 8
You gotta gimme details about this laptop.
I'm looking around at new machine options at the momment, this laptop just might proove to be a decent upgrade.
...ooOoooooo...
EDIT:
Ooo, scratch that, I found it already; the beauty of teh intanets.
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Post by Magiaz on Apr 19, 2007 12:59:01 GMT 8
Asus G1, managed to get it for 14,500 HKD in Mong Kok
"the beauty of teh intanets"
Series of tubes ftw as usual.
Guessing we won't be sorting anything till Ferox gets back, fine by me since it gives me time to check the game out more somewhat.
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Post by Arclight on Apr 19, 2007 23:36:44 GMT 8
*Well* So far I'm up around 3-4k ish; still a way's to go, but it's a start. ( FYI, I'll be home-building a PC so hopefuly it'll be a tad cheaper, but I guess we'll see )
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Post by Magiaz on Apr 23, 2007 17:00:36 GMT 8
Just checked out the new toolset editor, and got a guide for it... its absolutely insane. You can choose everything between the length for blades of grass to the level of refraction produced by water... Much more complex, much more detailed...
As if the learning curve for the first one wasn't hard enough XD At least most of the basics can be done without code...
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Post by woozie on Apr 23, 2007 22:47:26 GMT 8
meh.... I wished Oblivion had muiltplayer...
Woozie
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Post by malavern on Apr 24, 2007 14:56:03 GMT 8
me too..
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Post by Ferox on Apr 27, 2007 18:10:02 GMT 8
Ferox played through the campaign as multi-class cleric, so I guess he would know whether it really is worth it or not, so i'll yield to whatever he has to say on the matter... Hi guys, will be playing next week, so should be fun fun fun! My personal opinion on clerics? Well consider it this way, if you were to play a regular stock character type like fighter or rogue, you won't see a real cleric till halfway through the game, you can rely on potions pretty well until then, and the way I saw it, the healing spells weren't that effective anyway, though do heal skill points have anything to do with that? I played Cleric/Paladin/War priest and in combat he sucked, alot, unless I buffed him like crazy. Basically when you multiclass, you sacrifice levelling up in 1 place for another, and you basically end up with the ability to do alot, just at half the level of everyone else, so I never saw above level 6 healing spells for my guy. I could still buff like crazy, but once I got a socerer, I was stone skinning everyone, and using my bard and other class buffs in unison to make some uber teams. I feel the issue with clerics is that they don't come into their own until much later in the game. But when they do reach that level (I think 13-15?), they are so loveing useful, having that cleric plus all those buffs helped me slay the dragon for instance. Plus, much later in the game, where poison and death are constant, and rest is near impossible (worse than Hordes of the Underdark's first dungeon, no doors to shut, you rest, you're done for, Ralph will probably raise an eyebrow at this) Ressurection and healing/restore spells are so loveing useful and a real team saver. The buffs from clerics are also great, and I think Riot will later on learn to stay with the team if she doesn't want to get eaten. Currently it's just me and her, and it's early in the game, so no biggy. Also, if we can get a voice program up and running, I think we can coordinate better. So my personal opinion? It wouldn't hurt to have a cleric BUT they'll be bored to tears early on in the game, and won't come into their element until later on, say way after the trail and beyond. Therefore the best option would be to just play anything BUT cleric, and then when we get given the forced storyline cleric, then someone can be responsible for that cleric and their own character, preferably another spell caster. Until then we can rely on potions, which are really cheap. I used to carry 5 of cure disease and antidote each on my main, and then everyone on my party had 10 of the best healing potion available at all times possible, plus healing kits and a couple of restorations lying around. With that alone I was capable of survival. Also, running and leaving the area where possible brings all dead party members with you and resurrects them. So yeah, we can survive without a cleric.
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Post by Magiaz on Apr 28, 2007 18:55:01 GMT 8
"do heal skill points have anything to do with that"
When you use a healing kit, you roll a D20, add the kit number (+1, +3), and add your heal skill. the resulting number heals that many hp, and if it beats the DC of the poison / disease, it cures it. The lost ability points from the poison / disease aren't healed from this (though it prevents you losing more), you need to see a npc healing preist or get lesser restoration cast on you.
So it doesn't affect healing spells, only the kits. (which are cheaper and better than potions anyway, and also solve poison/disease)
you also need 4 points in healing skill to get the augment healing feat, which makes all healing spells restore an +2 points. So other than that, it doesn't effect spells. Only other than that enhances healing spells is empower spells feats etc., which happens for free if you have healing domain.
I've been checking out cleric, and i'm thinking aobut being one, although they may not be that useful early on, some of the domains let me get some decent spells like barkskin / stoneskin.
"end up with the ability to do alot, just at half the level of everyone else"
pretty much, though some combinations work together more effectively than others. I find its usaully best to level in one main class, and then take just a few levels, or even one level, in a second class. By being mostly fighter, and having just one level of sorcerer, it lets you use all sorc items / wands / scrolls etc. With kalius, i had one level of paladin, and one in sorc at the start, and then cast mage armour and shield, and then put on full plate, giving me 26 AC at level 2 (29 with a potion of barkskin). Mage armour and shield are useless later on, but being able to use wands and scrolls and stuff make up for it.
Likewise, if you take one level of cleric, take the water and air domain, (evasion and uncanny dodge for free), and then go pure fighter like normal, you basically end up as a fighter with added defensive feats, that a pure fighter just wouldent get.
So multi-classing does exactly as you describe it, unless you take just one or two levels of something to get some specific extra, and mostly level just one class. Though doing that you get an exp penalty (unless your human / half-elf / playing favoured class). But thats kinda going into munchkin territory.
"get a voice program up and running"
skype?
"stone skinning everyone"
stoneskin = socks
yeah, sorcs with stoneskin are insane. Though if Yon is playing wizard, we won't have one unless we take Qara >_> or unless i take sorc.
Another option is that Clerics with Earth domain get stoneskin at the same level as wizards, so between an earth cleric and yon we should have plenty of stoneskin.
also craft wand can apparently let you make stoneskin wands. which sounds like fun. I've saved alot of quest npcs by stoneskinning them...
"won't come into their element until later on"
early on, CLW potions are insanely cheap and available, and when stoneskin comes into play, people hardly ever take damage at all, let alone need healing.
The problem with wiz/sorc buffs is that all of the buffs after Stoneskin are caster only. so while they get better spells (Greater Stoneskin, Shadow Shield, Premonition) they can't cast on the rest of the party. and since there isn't a high level replacement for stoneskin, it slowly becomes less and less useful... eventually the extra protection starts counting for very little, and thats when clerics are actually needed. stoneskin might give 100 hp against physical, but a heal spell restoring full health / 300 hp against everything is a tad more useful.
long story short, yeah your right.
Though i have another reason for wanting to play cleric in that they can craft everything, and get the spells to make most of the basic enchantments. which means i could cheaply power everyone up equipment wise, not just via buffing. Though if Riot has craft weapon / armour, and yon gets craft alchemy, it'll be irrelevant, so i'll just go sorc.
I'm planning on playing drow btw, so i'll be 2 levels below everyone else. Sorry 'bout that, just gotten addicted to spell resistance.
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Post by Ferox on Apr 29, 2007 10:41:13 GMT 8
Okay then, sounds good if you have a plan for an uber cleric who can buff stuff. Much later on when I was fighting the dragon, I wanted to craft fire resistant full plate and jewelry, but couldn't.
Also, we need crafting skills later on in order to get a party member permenantly buffed, and as to not spoil anything, I would like to buff him since, well he's more resistant to spells than your drow Magiaz, lets put it that way.
So go for it dude.
If anyone want to play next week when I get back, you need to get your character to level 6, Riot and I just finished Highcliff, I think, though it doesn't matter where you are, since my save file will load you up next to me when I start the, I think.
Also remember before you join to set up your port settings on your firewall as discussed earlier and open up your router if you're on one.
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Post by -Riot- on Apr 30, 2007 0:02:27 GMT 8
Seems like I missed some chatting here but no matter~
As for your copy Jerry, I’ll be returning it soon along with your other games. However, would the save files still function after changing the registration copy? Other then that, after fiddling with some classes whilst playing with Ferox back then, I decided to change my expertise away from pure fighter.
On a side note, I didn’t read that long winded passage above and the page before, but will do soon.
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Post by Ferox on Apr 30, 2007 0:27:51 GMT 8
Ok, forget the level 6 thing then. We'll start again from the beginning, probably this Tuesday? Maybe next week if people need more time to set up. But after this, NO MORE RESTARTS or changes. So if you're in, sign up and set up. When we go, we're going to stay with it, don't change. I'm going to stay with my rogue. My current understanding is: Me = Rogue Riot = Eldritch Knight Magiaz = Cleric Yonathan = Sorc/wiz jeremy = Ranger Arclight = Thats pretty much the jist of it, 6 is the limit which is lucky since that includes everyone who's actually interested. will confirm when to play once I get back from Australia May 2nd, maybe play on the 5th, how does that sound?
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Post by Magiaz on Apr 30, 2007 2:47:21 GMT 8
"long winded passage" that was mostly for ferox, and just debating what class i should take to balance things... "Me = Rogue Riot = Eldritch Knight Magiaz = Cleric Yonathan = Sorc/wiz jeremy = Ranger Arclight = " If Riot's going EK, I might be better as something more tanky instead. Arclight would tank, if his laptop is up to it, but from the sounds of things doesn't sound definite yet. Which tempts me towards fighter or a more likely a combat orientated cleric... just need some tweaking. Have to change the character concept as well :/ I've got coursework through the next few weeks, but i can work around that easily enough, as long as your not asking me for ultra late nights. Got a lecture 2-4pm tuesday (GMT) which is around 10-12pm HK time if i figure correctly. Same on thursday. Otherwise, i'm fine anytime.
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Post by Ferox on Apr 30, 2007 10:27:08 GMT 8
Okay, whoever wants to play, please sign up, give me a time when you're available to play and what you'll be playing as.
I'm pretty much available in the evenings after 9ish on any day. Shall we say Saturday for the moment, 9pm?
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Post by Arclight on Apr 30, 2007 13:06:12 GMT 8
I'd love to say I can make it, but alas you'd best forget me; I won't be getting into this game for a loooong time. I don't see how I'll have this new machine before the year is out, so yeah, just forget about me for now, I suppose I can try catching up with you guys some other time or catch you on another re-start or whatever.
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Post by yonathanho on Apr 30, 2007 14:02:26 GMT 8
i'm available pretty much every evening xept tuesday evening
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Post by Magiaz on Apr 30, 2007 17:13:19 GMT 8
"Saturday for the moment, 9pm"
Ow. Getting up for a 5am start on sunday XD and i suspect that i really won't be in the mood for messing around with routers and port sans sleep. It'll be worth it though, and any other time won't be useful for everyone else.
Fer, could we arrange a time on friday or earlier to test out my connection ability and stuff?
I think we really need a full on tank, so i'll go pure fighter, start with cleaving, move to sycthe weapon focus and then work towards weapon master. I'll be a tad fragile in the start, with lower con and level adjustment, but it should work out. Drow fighters make excellent mage assassins ;p
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Post by Ferox on May 1, 2007 9:50:36 GMT 8
Magiaz, what you talking about, you're behind Hong Kong by 7-8 hours, not ahead! What, you think you're Australian or something!? So you'll be playing around 1PM GST. Yeah we can sort something out Friday night, but you'll need to speak to Rob about getting access to the router, if you give him the details for UDP ports, I'm sure he can do it for you in 15 minutes.
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Post by Arclight on May 1, 2007 11:12:00 GMT 8
I'm pretty sure Magiaz lives in HK, right? -_^
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Post by malavern on May 1, 2007 12:15:44 GMT 8
nope, not anymore... well not for a logn time now, he's somewhere in England...
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Post by Arclight on May 1, 2007 13:45:44 GMT 8
OH, ok then.
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Post by Magiaz on May 1, 2007 15:53:38 GMT 8
Birmingham to be precise. In a very dodgey place. Far north brum is quite nice, and the city center is quite uber as well, but i'm kinda placed in the shoddy area between the two.
Yeah, back 8 hours, not forward. Failed :/
Either way i'll be on msn around 1pm uk time / 9pm hk time today, and hopefully subsequebtly as well. With a semi regular time hopefully we'll stop missing each other.
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Post by Ferox on May 2, 2007 8:56:33 GMT 8
Flight was cancelled yesterday, since a donut got sucked into the engine or something, so will be online tonight hopefully, but around 3pm GST (UK) time.
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Post by Magiaz on May 2, 2007 23:41:52 GMT 8
ferox is back, sweet.
Yon, are you planning to go for wizard or sorc? you going to specialise in anything? or just burn stuff? ;p
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Post by yonathanho on May 5, 2007 17:46:21 GMT 8
i just wanna play already... pretty sure i want wizard
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Post by malavern on May 6, 2007 0:56:09 GMT 8
I'll be ranger, or somethign similar.... if not, i'll be samurai class or something... hmmm monk?? rofl through shurikens at ppl
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Post by Magiaz on May 6, 2007 23:19:34 GMT 8
"samurai class"
if i was making a samurai, i'd say the closest thing is monk/fighter and aiming for weapon master or duelist. Though I'd imagine people are sick of my constant babble by now, so i'll stfu. An elf samurai would be pretty a badass character concept...
Me and fer played this saturday with ferox hosting, i had about 0.75 second lag, which is better than i was expecting considering the distance. other than that had no problems after updating.
I thought we were meant to be playing yesterday (5th May), or did i get the timing wrong?
Either way me and fer have started up, and will probably be playing on sat regularly at least. I'm not sure if new players joining will be auto-leveled to the same level as party leader (ferox in this case) although i suspect it will happen, so people can join and leave at anytime without problems. If not, console commands should quickly solve the issue.
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Post by yonathanho on May 7, 2007 14:22:18 GMT 8
console commands are always far too tempting for me...
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Post by malavern on May 7, 2007 15:50:03 GMT 8
if i'm not mistaken, there IS a samurai prestige class in there somewhere, if not a ninja class...
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Post by Magiaz on May 9, 2007 4:33:04 GMT 8
I can't find any in the game, although I know that there are samurai/ninja classes in d&d... either way...
Is everyone playing this saturday? if not, when's convient?
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Post by Ferox on May 9, 2007 7:59:25 GMT 8
Well, sadly everyone is in exams, so no one can really play except me at the moment. FC picked up Jeremy's copy for the moment, but he'e never played before and his router is bust.
So for now, lets keep going with our own game and I'll practice with FC seperately to prevent to much lag for him, and then we'll have a proper party after May, when everyone has finished exams.
So Magiaz, can you wake up earlier on a Saturday? we can play longer, like 10am GST? That's 6pm here.
If anyone else wants to join this Saturday, including FC, feel free, the server is called HKO in the action room, password is the same as the server name, but you'll need a level 4 character, which shouldn't take long. Just take your character to meet Khelgar and kill all the baddies inside the inn. I'm just concerned about lag, since Magiaz will be playing all the way from the UK.
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