WAZZUP
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Post by WAZZUP on Jun 24, 2008 17:41:35 GMT 8
Hey all,
Not sure if this is the correct area to post but just want to find out peoples opinion on what to purchase. I am a newb to this so not sure which brand or what essentials I might need to get to be properly outfitted. Also which shop would be the helpful to newbs.
I know i want a MP5 and some sort of pistol. Not sure to go gas or electric. Just don't know where to start.
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
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Post by malavern on Jun 24, 2008 17:43:41 GMT 8
wrong thread, this thread is for the game "America's Army" You should've put it under "Armory" section under "Marketplace + Equipment Lab"=================================== Pistols should stay gas, electrics are still pretty unreliable, and lack power. The first things you should consider getting when starting airsoft, is your primary weapon (usually an AEG of some sort), + a few extra magazines for the said weapon (dont forget your BBs ). Most importantly eye protection.If you dont want your face to be shot, then go for the full face protection options such as masks, otherwise you can just stick with impact resistant glasses that offers wrap around eye protection. You dont want bbs slipping through between your face and your glasses to hit you in the eye!! *note: No eye protection = No game. ==================================== Now that the basics are done with, you can move on to the optionals: Secondary Weapon(s) Like a pistol/shotgun, (I recommend pistol). It mostly depends on what style you like, take a walk around Kwong Wa Street in Yau Ma Tei, and have a look see. Once you've picked a few out, we'll list the pos/neg remarks we may or may not have for those said items. Boots Highly recommended for ankle protection, I myself prefer 5.11 tactical boots, as well, they are damned comfy, you can find them at Supreme Co, with the cheapest 5.11 boots starting from a low $450 HK to over $1000 HK. Get what you can afford. Camo/Clothing All you need to do is decide on what type of camouflage you want, and off you go. OClan's primary uniform = Tiger Stripes Vests/Rigging Same as above, go take a look see/touch around Kwong Wa Street, its all up to your preferences. ======================== I'm more or less free 24/7 so send me a pm, and I'll be happy to take you around!
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Post by Goliath on Jun 24, 2008 18:25:48 GMT 8
MAlavern? WTF?
AEPs are FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR more reliable than GBBs.
You should know, Mr "My incredibly expensive hicapa keeps ka-buggering itself every game whilst Goliath's Glock AEP has never misfired even once".
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Post by Ferox on Jun 24, 2008 18:33:42 GMT 8
I know i want a MP5 and some sort of pistol. Not sure to go gas or electric. Just don't know where to start. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Everything I say below, it entirely depends on how far you are willing to go. Yes you can go crazy on 5.11 and pro gear and go all out with supped up Mil-sim gear... But that depends on your budget and how insanely devoted to airsofting you are going to be. Even then, it's 50/50 for us, eitsome of us come dressed like someone out of Iraq/Action movie while some of us come in basic camo pants and shirt, a gun of some sort and a mask. So define what YOU want to do first before you start taking advice, it makes it easier on everyone. ========================= MP5s from JG are pretty reliable, you can get a China version pretty easily through our local gun runner on the website, although as to gun power...I hear they come out of the box at 1.5j default, so you might need some help downgrading it. marui do good MP5s, I have one myself, lasted me 8 years so far. I have to agree with Goliath, electric pistols actually can be good if you go through CYMA or you get something Japanese, and they can be cheap to. If you want gas, they are easier to maintain and alot more realistic, even the china stuff is catching up, but not entirely reliable, so go for Japanese at the moment, most notably Marui, should only set you back $5-800 depending what you want... So yes, please, tell us what YOU want first before WE start telling you what to do how are you going to play, what are you going to do, what do you feel most comfortable in, how athletic are you? What's your desired budget?
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Post by malavern on Jun 24, 2008 18:58:11 GMT 8
MAlavern? WTF? AEPs are FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR more reliable than GBBs. You should know, Mr "My incredibly expensive hicapa keeps ka-buggering itself every game whilst Goliath's Glock AEP has never misfired even once". unmodified GBBs work fine for ages and ages, only idiots like me with too much time on their hands would upgrade their pistols, therefore stuffing em up... But when it works, it works wonders... Note: Your AEP also happened to run out of battery the other day didnt it?
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Post by Goliath on Jun 24, 2008 19:44:19 GMT 8
MAlavern? WTF? AEPs are FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR more reliable than GBBs. You should know, Mr "My incredibly expensive hicapa keeps ka-buggering itself every game whilst Goliath's Glock AEP has never misfired even once". unmodified GBBs work fine for ages and ages, only idiots like me with too much time on their hands would upgrade their pistols, therefore stuffing em up... But when it works, it works wonders... Note: Your AEP also happened to run out of battery the other day didnt it? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU ARE SPOUTING FAIL AND RUBBISH. 1) GBBs depend on ambient temperature to work well. 2) GBBs oft jam, misfeed, etc. 3) GBBs are inconsistent. 4) GBBs suffer from cooldown. 5) My AEP ran out of battery because Daniel, the person I sold it too, dumped 2000 rounds through it in an hour.
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Post by malavern on Jun 24, 2008 21:22:39 GMT 8
2K ?? rofl lol lol lol ;D ;D ;D nice! either way, gbb's give you the kickback feel that aep's dont... I'll stick to my gas thankyou very much. Its all a matter of preferences anyways..
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Post by andrewm4a1 on Jun 24, 2008 21:37:50 GMT 8
I like my KSC GBB Glock which feels really good to shoot. The blowback makes it feel good unlike the AEPs. I accept that GBBs have problems sometimes but that's down to good maintenance - taking apart is quite fun too ;D AEPs can break too but hey it's not life and death
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Post by Chowiez on Jun 24, 2008 21:54:45 GMT 8
Opps, Posted in the wrong place...Quoted from the wrong thread.
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Hello WAZZUP,
- Wrong place to post - I am selling a Galaxy MP5K. - Start with an automatic electric gun, then to combat uniform and gear then to a gas pistol.
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Post by Arclight on Jun 24, 2008 21:57:36 GMT 8
For a starter, I would suggest you ignore pistols completely.
Even not-so-noob, newer regular players don't bother with a pistol; for those of us who have them, half of us don't even use them outside of pure pistols games anyway.
IF you insist on wanting a pistol (practicaly a moot point as it's purley a fun optional, not core gear) then for your first buy I suggest a practical choice. AEPs are reliable and fine but boring. Gas pistols are powerful, ranged and fast but their spicey nature makes them somewhat variabley schizophrenic in reliability.
The type of pistol, and there is a big choice out there, depends on he player type, and you can't know your type untill you play a few times (as peoples expectations and peoples natural tendancies in play can differ greatly). As such, really, I think pistols buys should be left till after you've had a few games.
UNLESS you want one just to plink at cans in your bedroom/backyard or whatever then do as you wish. ^_^
So I say, for a beginner: specs, BDUs (battle dress uniform; set of camos or whatever you want that is appropriate for rolling around outdoors), AEG, battery, charger, spare mag or two (the last two not strictly neccesary but very handy).
After that, look for gear that support your weapon and accesories; vests are good, hold spare mags, also slings. Maybe you might wanna look at scopes but they are argualbly overrated for practical play.
If you reall want an MP5 thats fine but I personaly suggest the JG G36c.
It's light, reliable, decent internal without modification. Mags are 470 round hicaps as standard and they clip together naturaly as well. It has a full length top rail and half length bottom rail; you can mount vertical grips, lasers, flashlight and scopes easily.
For cheap mods in the future:
Chinese brands also make drums for the G36. Chinese brand makes a magwell converter to allow the use of M4/16 mags on your G36. Switching out parts (like the stock and front system) for fancier or nicer M4/16 stocks or longer front ends is also easier and less painful on the wallet then other weapon systems. In my opinnion, the JG G36c is one of the best first-weapon buys out there at the momment.
That said, airsoft is 40% practical, 60% stylistic. It's ultimatley your personal choice as it's the player that makes the soldier and the game that makes the fun.
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Post by WAZZUP on Jun 25, 2008 0:38:43 GMT 8
Hi Everybody,
Thanks for all the advice. I think the first thing i am gonna buy is an AEG. Props to Arclight for the recommendation. Will definately look into it. I think i will take a look at it early next week.
Also thanks to Ferox on the Marui MP5. By the way, how much should they run and is there any difference on the model numbers?
In regards to pistols, i think i will hold off on it first.
What i want to do (pending on Sat) is get really into it. Just a little about me, I am a paintball player to start but since we cnt play good paintball in HK, thats why i m looking at airsoft. I like the teamwork involved and the strategy as well. In regards to gear, I don't mind getting things that i need to upgrade but i prefer to get the best bang for my buck. so anything thats good enough out of the box for the time being is good. Like Ferox said, i need someone to help me downgrade stuff and to be honest, dont even know where to start.
All in all, i just want to have fun in a team environment with no headaches and meet like minded people.
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Post by WAZZUP on Jun 25, 2008 0:56:10 GMT 8
Hey Chowiez I think i am gonna hold off on buying used for now. I want to get a new one so at least i can say i got one and its all mine. Thanks for the offer anyways.
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Post by billy on Jun 25, 2008 1:05:41 GMT 8
If I found this thread earlier, I'd have replied the same way. But instead of posting about what to get... it's more like who to get the gear with. You can always meet up with FC, Noa, Ferox etc etc when they're free. And just talk through how you usually play, and we'll all just go to shops and pick things out. Comments and advice will fly left right and centre and it'll be much more results orientated that way. You need to think about what your main obstacles or needs are in game. for example, the number of mags you take into game depends on how you play. If you spray lots, then you'll need more mags. If you don't mind hicaps then you can stay with 1-2 hicaps or boxmags. Some prefer midcaps and lowcaps, and will end up with 4-8 mags. This would require some sort of load bearing equipment. Assault vests etc. Battery type/size and the variant of gun are closely related. (full stock instead of slither/folding stock) slings and different kinds of them. ------------ as far as gear is concerned - it all inter-relates and affects the way to go about the game. If you manage to "streamline" every action needed in game, then you have sorted your gear out, as you have no need for more gear. If this is all too much info... you should remember. The gear is to help you play. So if a simple AEG on a sling is all you need to feel at ease in game, then that is all you will ever need. (doesn't mean you stop buying gear though - because it's ok to get addicted). But if you need the gear and figure out specifically what you need. Then go for it no matter what comments the "veterans of toy guns" tell you. The more you play the less you worry about it... hopefully.
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Post by milkkart on Jun 25, 2008 1:07:22 GMT 8
btw make sure you get a proper charger, ive been using the crappy ones that come with the chinese guns and wrecked one battery and reduced the life of the 2 others by about half.
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Post by malavern on Jun 25, 2008 1:23:30 GMT 8
o hells, KWS window shopping and 5.11 underwear purchasing at SC on Monday... who wants to come?
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Post by Noa on Jun 25, 2008 2:23:29 GMT 8
Now for my own 2 cents and a dollar: Battery - use a Lithium Polymer Battery. Lasts long, high power and cheap. $200 max for a battery & charger together. You only need one. Gun & mags - Any AEG you want. But make sure you have enough mags to carry about 800-1000 rnds. That's 2 mags for most guns, 4 mags for MP5 because MP5 mags are 270 rnds each. Pistol - is awesome in CQB and always within reach in emergencies. I love it so much I always have two on me (one for a left hand draw). Get a WE Hicapa/dragon and you might find it more useful than a rifle (Crow uses his 7 inch dragon more than his M14 and I love my MRP hicapa on random auto*). Boots - Boots with ankle support - $150 if you get it at street markets. Cheap and reliable so you can get it dirty and won't have to worry about throwing it away if it starts smelling. Or splash out and wear a good one everyday Face - shooting glasses/goggles/facemask your choice of aesthetic looks =) Clothing - any BDU/camouflage ~200 HKD for a set of pants and shirt if you get it cheap. Gear -...... Here we gooooo~ ------ Noa's Recommended GEAR: 1st line: Always on you. 1) Click-on/Velcro Duty belt (or one with a shoulder harness e.g ALICE) 2) Small dump pouch - no fumbling to change mags. Just dump it! Or a large one to carry ammo and gas canisters too. 3) Drop leg/hip mag pouch (triple mag holder for MP5) - and it looks sexy too ;D 4) Drop leg pistol holster (serpa holster ;D or any) - to keep the belt balanced between left and right if using drop legs. And a pistol is awesome in CQB, more than an SMG. 5) Misc. pouches of your choice to keep your wallet/phone and other essentials on you. I like to keep everything I need on me - no fuss with needing lockers or having important items lying around unattended (and no chance of theft too!). 6) Knee pads - $100 for a full set of knee/elbow pads in black/OD at Temple Street 7) Gloves - half finger (or cut em several to half finger) for added dexterity (get it over 20 and you can do some crazy shit). So you can still pick up tiny BB's w/o taking off your gloves but still get protection for the rest of your hand. 8) Bandana/Cap (for sun/sweat and forehead protection) 2nd line: Additional carry, protection & looks. Removable in-between games. 1) A Load Bearing Vest or Equipment (ALICE, CIRAS... etc) to hold your rifle mags in your preferred configuration and for any other items. 3rd line: To carry your supplies. 1) A gun bag - under $50 2) A backpack - for your BB's, gas and storage for your gear during transport. ---- Optional: 1) Radio & headset
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Post by Fightingcock on Jun 25, 2008 3:40:06 GMT 8
my.. half a cent... if you limited on funds... then get the bare minimal to start with... and then slowly build up your kit one... game at a time. bare minimal being.... face protection... and a AEG... and bb's. but of cause... the more gear you have.. the better prepared you will be. AEG... Jong Gong Mp5K under $300 MP5PDW Under $350 most other Mp5's around $400 to 500. unless you want a MP5 with a metal body then a little step up to $700 ish.. model pending. and maybe one or 2 extra mags... under $40 each Mask.. $40 for basic mesh type to $140 for Scott paintball type. then next on the list... Gunbag under $80ish... size pending (under $50 Noa? for 1 ?? ) Lipo battery and Charger $200 good (comfy) boots $200. BDU $200 and maybe 1 knee pad... lol Find someone to share a pair ($50) also... if you get a china stock AEG it maybe to powerful for CQB.. and a pistol would then help here... AEP under $300 GGB $450 up... china made GGB under $400. holster... $50 to $350 oh.... and your BB's $35 to $95.. pending weight and brand. what is your budget? oh.. there are no shops helpful to noobs... they will all try to give you a "special deal" cause they knew you not know what your buying. but... if you go to the street with one of us... you can be introduced to a few friends / shop owners... that could help you a little. i can still remember my first shoping spree... 12 hours... before my first game in HK. TM sig552 1 hi-cap mag 2 x battery charger Scott copy mask. BB's and a $40 pair of pants... lol. (already had a flecktern jacket) only thing i regret is the batteries.. and charger... which i have converted to lipo at day 1. oh.. and no boots... lol. and for the first year... i played in shorts and sandals... lol. Shorts are ok... but i learnt painfully oneday... sandals... are a NONO!. Stabed myself in the foot on the way home from a game one day... lol lesson learnt. Boots! FC
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Post by Noa on Jun 25, 2008 3:44:28 GMT 8
Gunbag under $80ish... size pending (under $50 Noa? for 1 ?? ) most 9.11 bag (one size fits all) for $49... the bag that can hold a AR and 1 SMG is at ~$80ish.
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Post by malavern on Jun 25, 2008 9:33:05 GMT 8
so... anyone coming along on monday?
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WAZZUP
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Post by WAZZUP on Jun 25, 2008 9:51:41 GMT 8
Big props to Noa and Fighting Cock for the advice.
Noa: What brand of charger should I get? Is there anyine specific?
FC: I would like a metal body if possible for my MP5. Ferox said a Marui is a good brand. Should i start with that?
I am not sure how my laying style is but i am definately not a sniper. I like more intense stuff. I used to play paintball in the states and always the first one out the gate so i assume my playing style is assault.
I am liasing with Malavern on Monday to pick the AEG up. I think i am gonna start off with little equipment and slowly build it up.
So basically I need to buy on Monday is a AEG MP5, Charger with one battery, couple of extra mags and a gun bag plus bbs.
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Post by Ferox on Jun 25, 2008 11:58:39 GMT 8
I would actually liase with FC first, get some decent prices, since he actually does airsoft shipping overseas he can get you decent prices rather than rip off shop prices. Also, you haven't specified a budget. If you want to spend like FC and me, you keep your expenses nice and low with china goods and not to much gear/fittings. If you want to spend BIG you go with Noa and Malavern's idea of wargaming and buy 5.11, lots of gear and backup gear, generally more expensive stuff. For your Mp5, you can get metal body but in reality the real thing is supposed to be plastic anyway, and if you're running and gunning/assault mode, you want a nice light flexible gun. IMPORTANT: Remember that just because all the guns look the same, doesn't mean they are the same. There are usually several brands and models made by different companies, all with different standards of quality and power rating! Get consultation before you buy! Also remember that MP5 series have the most irritating magazine/ammo system in the airsoft world in terms of carrying them... You can either buy low capacity mags (60 shots), mid caps (120) or high caps (200), and then you have double mags and short double mags at 800 and 400 respectively I think, but those are hard to carry onto the field with other ammo. Basically you either carry lots of sticks of ammo in special pouches, or you carry 1-2 double mags, if you can find somewhere to stick the spare securely. Anyway, here are the current models you can muck around with starting with the smallest (remember, it's not about the size of the gun, it's about the power inside, you can have a tiny AEG at 1.9j or a large rifle type at 0.8): MP5K, little submachine gun, good for CQB short range stuff, very flexible, shorter barrel means less accuracy at range though, also, battery can be a bitch to fit. MP5PDW comes with a foldable stock for better stability I suppose, but in the end it's the same gun as before. MP5A5, what I have. Retractable stock, so you can switch between CQB and medium range. Mine is a Tokyo Marui model, who produce all the types of MP5s, but at an inflated cost... MP5A4 with a solid butt stock, the flashlight is an optional accessory and usually not included. MP5SD5 comes with solid buttstock and silencer module. In airsoft, silencer makes slight-minor differences to airflow, but that motor is always going to give you away, so up to you. MP5SD6 is the final model, retractable stock and comes with silencer module. So you have alot of choice, I recommend Marui or JG, but if you get JG you will need to possibly downgrade it since they come in at around 1.5j...but for our games we usually play 1.3-4 so it won't make a difference. Japanese guns all come in at around 1 joule, which is perfect for our indoor games but can be crap outdoors...unless you upgrade it ;D Also if you buy chinese brands, you will need to get someone to open up the gearbox later on and upgrade the quality so your gearbox doesn't explode...add metal bushings, grease the box, replace any plastic parts or replace poor quality metal ones... The good thing about MP5s is, there are alot of customisation options for later to. Not as much as the M4 series...but still good. And don't forget to buy a mask, a uniform and if you want, protective gear.
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Post by Noa on Jun 25, 2008 13:03:17 GMT 8
Noa: What brand of charger should I get? Is there anyine specific? There are two cheap brands which are Firefox and Hotpower. The nicer charger is the one with an adaptor (for use with RC car batts). You can order one through FC or me =) ------ And my idea of wargaming is "shyt fits - wear it" actually It's just that some gear is also for casual wear so I need it durable - so I buy lasting stuff like 5.11 or BHI (boots/gloves/shooting glasses. Everything else is whatever I can get my hands on cheaply ;D Which reminds me to pick up a new pair of Tiger Stripe BDUs keke
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Post by Fightingcock on Jun 25, 2008 13:15:24 GMT 8
this might not necessary as the qualitiy of china made has come up greatly... and laterly some china made gearboxs are with 7mm metal bushings, and metal spring guides. i recently had a order for a upgraded m14 socom... and asked chris to do it.. and he was supposed to change... spring, piston, gears, and bushings... but on opening the gear box... chris found it wasn't needed as all the parts were solid... and he just replaced the spring. saving my client a small packet in parts. and he love its... and got orders for his friend wanting anotherone. even my JG G36... being my work horse for 18 months... is just great... and shooting same joulage as the day it come out of the box. stock gearbox.. untouched as a noob... don't worry about upgrading... for a year or so. or just wait for it to brake down... lol in 3 to 5 years. personaly... I think.... that most gun problems are cause by... "some one up-grade it" lol. took me 2 years before I upgrade my first AEG. other options for MP5... with a little RAS... i moded this second one yesterday...and i like the look of it... but soon noted... the battery sits tightly in the fore grip. and our currently shaped lipos wont fit. although.. i'm sure maybe a RC shop might hold a differant shape that will fit. if I wanted a MP5... and could find a lipo battery to fit... this last one would be it. Oh.. i wonder what IronLord would buy first... now with a little hindsight. FC
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Post by Noa on Jun 25, 2008 13:23:15 GMT 8
The mount attached from the RAS to the middle top is for an Aimpoint Red dot sight - just FYI. The mount is removable but is compatible only with the RAS that has the screw hole on the sides. -- What power do you want your AEG to be?
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WAZZUP
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Post by WAZZUP on Jun 25, 2008 13:31:10 GMT 8
I was thinking about the MP5SD6. In terms of budget, I dont really have one. I dont mind spending on quality but dont want to get suckered as well.
In terms of joules, dunno? I want something good enough for outdoors play first. Since i dont know how to upgrade or downgrade, what to do?
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Post by ironlord on Jun 25, 2008 13:34:53 GMT 8
Umm... "WAZZUP" - you never even gave a price-range? That has, more than anything, a HUGE bearing on what you should/can buy. If I had to advise anyone picking up the sport (and not sure if they will be doing it often) is GO LIGHT. Screw camo. Screw a pistol. Just buy a mask, basic gun, a couple hi-cap mags, and a battery (and some bbs!). A pair of gloves would be good too. Play it a bit before you go committing a lot of money to it. I've had a couple friends who started playing and got really into it - while others just play once every couple months, or even less often. Also, when you go to Airsoft games most people are happy to let you fire a couple of rounds with their guns, so you can really get a feel for what you like and what fits you! Take advantage of all these airsoft-addicts above and try out their shit. It really gives you an idea of what you want. Bottom line, spend as little as possible until you can start justifying the expense. I've spent far too much on airsoft and I'm not even half as bad as some of these guys!
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Post by Fightingcock on Jun 25, 2008 13:36:05 GMT 8
just get one.... worry about Joulage till afterwards. cause all aegs are differant... even when they come out of the same box. and if some one asks... just say... " i'm a noob... and i don't believe in the can test" that still kills me... ;D FC
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Post by WAZZUP on Jun 25, 2008 13:44:05 GMT 8
Sounds like a plan then. In terms of budget form 1000 - 2000. Hopefully that will be all in. So would the best choice be the Tokyo Marui then as Noa said it lasted him for 8 years?
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Post by Noa on Jun 25, 2008 14:06:01 GMT 8
Sounds like a plan then. In terms of budget form 1000 - 2000. Hopefully that will be all in. So would the best choice be the Tokyo Marui then as Noa said it lasted him for 8 years? that'd be Ferox who said that =) No - don't get TM. You're budget will be all gone by then. TM MP5's are around 13xx+ HKD. A china clone will work fine for an MP5~!
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Post by WAZZUP on Jun 25, 2008 14:11:16 GMT 8
Sorry about that. Quoted the wrong person. Thanks for Catching it.
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