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Post by Noa on Jul 27, 2008 1:36:35 GMT 8
At Wanchai 298 I bought a DVR, which I was planning on buying since last year, having talked about it with Pest who first found a source to buy a portable, handheld, palm sized Digital Video Recorder with AV (video) in. What does this mean? Helmet cams Gun cams Corner/room peeking cams Helicopter cams You name it. This gadget is fking A and O for osome. This is a brief summary and overview of what this DVR, along with some accessories, can be turned into for wargame use. Read on! - DVR For Wargame Use - Items: Wirless Palm monitor & DVR kit - 900 HKD Cheap optical wire camera - 150 HKD External lithium batt - 150 HKD Wireless camera w/ built in battery - 300 HKD Battery to DC-in adaptor - ~15 HKD DVR specs: English/Chinese menu w/ large LCD screen. Very clear and big enough to see details. 3 Hrs internal rechargeable battery - external Lithium batt $150 HKD 128 MB internal - Use external HDD (100 or more GB) for storage - 4 GB SD Card ~$320 HKD Wireless 2.4 GHz - 4 Channels, meaning 4 wireless cameras can be used together. - Can put one into helmet, gun and on other people. - 100 ft/ 30 meter range, clear vision - A second handset can view the same 4 visions as well. Wireless camera w/ battery built in - 400 HKD IR camera for night and low light - 400 HKD AV In (camera connected by composite cable) - use external video in camera - need external battery for camera - can plug into small batt for compact ~1hr use - or use external lithium battery for over 11 hrs --- Usage: Personal use: - Helmet cam - Gun cam Tactical Squad/Recon use: - Put wireless camera to other players. - Multiple handsets can all access the same wireless cameras - Commanders can get real time video of the individuals actions Tactical CQB use: - Put camera on a stick to peek around corners and check rooms Other: - Put wireless camera onto a light toy helicopter, as long as helicopter is within 30 meter range it will work. - And whatever you can think of. -- Preeeetty neat huh? ;D DeadForce beware. This coming CQB I will be using the DVR to check around corners and rooms before making entry! HAHAHAHA
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Post by malavern on Jul 27, 2008 4:21:11 GMT 8
integrate the cam into a r/c tank that fires BBs Modify said tank to fire BBs at a high ROF, and higher Joulage!
Make sure said tank allows for 360 degrees traversing and up to 45 degrees inclinations by remote!
You now have a AULV (Armored Unmanned Land Vehicle)
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Post by Noa on Jul 27, 2008 5:32:53 GMT 8
I can already hear the critics but I've tested the wireless at the shop and it's amazing ;D
I mean, I've tried wireless cameras before but they had to be tuned everytime it was moved but this one auto tunes!
I think the best part is using it for cqb room clearing kekeke.
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Post by Fightingcock on Jul 27, 2008 10:44:31 GMT 8
lol.. the DF game maybe to fast for pre checking rooms... but maybe... it could be used in another way... will explain elsewhere... been looking at similar at ssp around $800ish... but nothing wireless so this could be a better alternative. just a few questions... Film time on a 4 gb card? what make and model? If i have some spare cash... I might be sold... and you can hook a brother up. FC
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Post by Noa on Jul 27, 2008 20:33:42 GMT 8
lol.. the DF game maybe to fast for pre checking rooms... but maybe... it could be used in another way... will explain elsewhere... been looking at similar at ssp around $800ish... but nothing wireless so this could be a better alternative. just a few questions... Film time on a 4 gb card? what make and model? If i have some spare cash... I might be sold... and you can hook a brother up. FC It can be used easily for fast cqb games FC you just leave it on, and because you're working in a team, the guy with the DVR can scan room while the 2nd man keeps guard. DVR guy scans room with the small and discrete camera, signals whether it's clear or not and make entry. All in a few seconds. If the enemy charges out if they see the camera, well they'll be coming in to their death cuz the 2nd guy is waiting for him and the DVR guy can see him coming in too. And when you're stacked up to make entry to a potentially dangerous room, you could make a quick scan to see and assess the situation before charging into what could be death for the whole team. Couple this with my Sordin headset and wham I can not only HEAR you inside the room I can send a camera in to see you too lol. - It doesn't have a brand *cough* But the model number at the back is: KS638R Digital Video Recorder. 4GB can record about 6 hrs of video and sound on optimal quality. Plenty. But you can just plug in a USB harddrive (laptop size) and you won't have any storage space problems I want to do a little documentary show on using the DVR kekeke. Start off with me showing the dvr in its basic config, show how it is used for room clearing. Show off how the video footage is like kekeke. All Future Weapons stye (with Noa instead of Mack lololol).
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Post by Chowiez on Jul 27, 2008 20:49:24 GMT 8
This is a terrific device, however, if i was on the other team, i would envy you alot. That may cause arguements to use this or not... Maybe some sort of handicap can balance this out.
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Post by Noa on Jul 27, 2008 21:02:48 GMT 8
This is a terrific device, however, if i was on the other team, i would envy you alot. That may cause arguements to use this or not... Maybe some sort of handicap can balance this out. Well it's a bit silly but it's a point. I don't think it'll be a problem because even if I can see you around the corner, I and the rest of the team has to make entry like any other person. And I've never seem a peeking camera shoot someone out yet. It's a great advantage and it's honestly not that expensive Our guns cost about the same keke so if you boil it all down... Anyone can do the same EASILY. But poo, if it's really so unfair I'll just use it as a helmet/bandana cam =) --- If you're caught in a fair fight - you haven't prepared right
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Post by Chowiez on Jul 27, 2008 21:05:07 GMT 8
Indeed. Lol. Love your qoute.
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Post by Fightingcock on Jul 27, 2008 21:05:33 GMT 8
yes... and as we seen before... "you have.. we don't = not allowed" but if you were more secret about it... in a way... noone knew about it for the whole day... might be more beneficial than... to useing it one round... the told no... can't use. but until your told no... why not. and i would expect it to get shot at... both camera and screen... so i wouldn't risk it. also juggling camera... screen and gun... could lead to be out draw. take it for a spin in suits games anyways... i have some... "intell"... for discussion... just not here. FC
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Post by Noa on Jul 27, 2008 21:11:00 GMT 8
The camera can be either a pinhole camera (try shooting that - not possible) and the screen is held a distance away facing you so it can't get shot.
When you're done scanning you put the DVR away into your pocket or a mag pouch (fits like a G3 mag).
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Post by malavern on Jul 27, 2008 22:36:18 GMT 8
if the screen is small enough, why not attach it to an armband with the screen facing inwards... i.e.
screen is placed on the inside left fore-arm facing your body, so when you have your gun up, you'll have peripheral vision of the screen, AND it'll be protected from incoming fire!
better yet,
point man has the pinhole cam, whilst 2nd man has the screen setup, whilst holding the gun. If all clear, he reaches down and taps pointman's shoulder, if not well... improvise...
You can use a small size molle rig to set up the arm band thingy also make a small flap with velcro on 1 end to cover the screen when not in use!
shouldnt cost more than 100 to make that rig... If you still dont understand what i mean, then we're gonna have to meet up somewhere and i'll show you what i mean!
(think about how a shooter would wear his watch with the face on his inner wrist, and apply it the the screen here...)
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Post by milkkart on Jul 28, 2008 6:51:57 GMT 8
TAG tactical armband. www.firsttactical.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=TAG_ARMMight be able to modify that to hold the DVR. course it might be easier to use a molle, either way if the DVR is heavy you might have problems with it slipping around your wrist. btw, the optical wire camera, is that one of those swan-neck fibre-optic cameras?
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Post by Noa on Jul 28, 2008 8:09:13 GMT 8
The DVR is quite light, no heavier than a fully loaded airsoft G3 mag.
The arm strap is real nice btw!
The DVR can use ANY camera with AV in - so if you can acquire those bendy optical cameras (which I can by importing through a TW company) then it can use it.
The DVR can be used to VIEW and/or RECORD what you're viewing =D
Capture those kills on video and forever remind your victims how you shot them out kekeke.
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Post by malavern on Jul 28, 2008 17:53:35 GMT 8
W00t! Thanks Milkkart, you read my mind. Though you wear it on the underside of your arm instead of on top
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Post by Noa on Jul 29, 2008 18:53:41 GMT 8
Update~! I bought two wireless cameras for the DVR and was testing it around. The camera fits right into a railed mounting laser holder Note that the camera sends BOTH video and audio in Stereo! Channel selector On/Off, antannae and DC charger plug hole. On my M16 Viewing camera through the DVR. 30 FPS, high quality, 3 types of file format (AVI, MOV, ASF) and un-noticable lag. Because I can also hear what the camera is sending, I can plug it into my Sordin and I can hear what the camera picks up too. Good for cameras placed on someone else or at a distance away. -- I've recorded videos of the DVR mounted on the gun and on my head and the picture quality is fking good. I will be taking a more worthwhile video with the DVR so just you wait
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Post by demiurge on Jul 29, 2008 21:19:15 GMT 8
Can you see the bullets hitting things thru the gun cam? If so it'll be an amazing anti-zombie mechanism. 1 warning 1 repeat and you're banned from the league.
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Post by Fightingcock on Jul 29, 2008 22:09:47 GMT 8
lol... yes! get some usage and iron out the kinks in the suits game. the loud sound and wobble from a aeg is now my only concern. you will have it mounted on a aeg for the suits game? I wonder how well it would work on a tough cocking shot gun... lol. if its worthy... i'll get one next week... FC
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Post by Noa on Jul 29, 2008 22:43:27 GMT 8
You can mute the audio - if you only want video recording. You can also select to have mono sound or left or right mic turned on. The mic is pointing out from the lens so the AEG gearbox noise won't be heard so much. It definately won't be a problem. -- I will mount the camera under my pistol, on the rail So you can see my pistol kills up close lololol. I look forward to making it fully combat recording ready ;D
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Post by Fightingcock on Jul 29, 2008 23:43:25 GMT 8
aye... bout time we made some osome frag videos to phat sounds. main reason we haven't... cause the limit footage we have been getting... has been "limited" but now.. we could easily record 90% + of ingame... and edit out the bollocks for some really great action vids. only problem now... is the view point will be onesided, although slipping in the non-playing cameraman angle will help with this. also a few others investing in this idea... would make multiple angles on the field for a wicked video. lol.... can't wait to be editing... a gun camera vs gun camera fire fight... lol big ups for Noa for pushing this idea through. ;D FC
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Post by Arclight on Jul 30, 2008 14:56:26 GMT 8
Like I mentioned to Now in person before, spread a few of these around and you could co-ordinate team movement in real time with greater effectivness. Say, 4 or 5 camera assemblies spread across either a 4/5 man team or team leaders of 4/5 teams; in each case, channel switching allows team leaders to see what team mates see. *Radio from Dude 1* "Sniper spotted behind tree" *Radio from Dude 2* "Show me" *Dude 1 points at sniper location* "channel 1" *Dude 2 see's channel one, sniper location, his position allows engagement around the tree* -Sniper Neutrilised- We've used green lasers a bit to this effect already but combine hand-held lasers with guncams and we have an incredible potential for target marking. And as has been mentioned, cams catch in game activity so useful not just for cool game footage of those rare mid-action events but also some degree of anti-cheat backup footage. Sweet.
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Post by Noa on Jul 30, 2008 16:12:51 GMT 8
It'd depend on how un-obscured the vision is because in jungle games, every bush looks the same really keke - but in field games like TTWSC it'll work fine.
The wireless cam is susceptible to interference such as shearing of fizzing on the screen as the camera moves further away or there are obstructions in the way.
Indoors, the dvr can receive pictures only through 1 1/2 concrete walls. Any more and the transmission is too sketchy.
But as long as the dvr and camera is within direct line of sight, there won't be a problem.
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Post by demiurge on Jul 30, 2008 19:22:22 GMT 8
Can you see the bullets hitting things thru the gun cam? If so it'll be an amazing anti-zombie mechanism. 1 warning 1 repeat and you're banned from the league. uh yea.
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Post by Noa on Jul 30, 2008 20:44:43 GMT 8
Can you see the bullets hitting things thru the gun cam? If so it'll be an amazing anti-zombie mechanism. 1 warning 1 repeat and you're banned from the league. uh yea. Only close up. Normal hand held videos can't capture BB's at a distance.
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Post by Fightingcock on Jul 30, 2008 20:54:02 GMT 8
but on the 17 monitor?? or even 40 inch TV... what was the resoultion?? cause if you video umping a torny... it wouldn't be on the DVR. umps would be viewing off the field.... on larger screens. but if you want to open another tread demi... we can look into the torny ideas, conditions and problems. FC ok... i googled the model number... and its 640 x480 and wow... i can't find any websites about it.. in english... lol. my photo camera is 640x480 and 30fps... and video qualitiy is good. glad you checked the owners reviews online before buying it Noa... lol FC
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Post by Noa on Jul 30, 2008 21:16:31 GMT 8
Lol - and the quality of the video also depends on how good the camera is. Remember that the wireless is a pinhole type. But by all means, you can plug it into one of those large security cameras too lololol. Plug it into a IR/night vision camera (Only 400 HKD) and tada you get big screen night vision. We can use this to marshal night games too - and capture IR video of night fighting how awesome is that!
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Post by demiurge on Jul 30, 2008 23:44:47 GMT 8
you say you can see BB's hit close up.
So is that good enuff for CQB? Possible getting a better camera mounted on guns to see further for instance?
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Post by Noa on Jul 31, 2008 0:18:08 GMT 8
you say you can see BB's hit close up. So is that good enuff for CQB? Possible getting a better camera mounted on guns to see further for instance? Wait til the suits game and we'll see
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Post by Fightingcock on Jul 31, 2008 11:19:23 GMT 8
night vision... for under $2000.... excuse my french... but thats just plain FU<KING OSOME! ;D FC
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Post by Noa on Jul 31, 2008 23:51:27 GMT 8
IR is the white/gray scale vision. Too bad it isn't green like military nvg keke. Maybe some editing to add a green filter would work Unfortunately, there isn't quite a small scale IR cam. They're the security type large wall mounted kinds. Though I'm sure if I ask the shop man to check around, one or two might pop up. -- I'm trying to see if I can mount the wireless (or wired) camera onto a headset like this. Anyone have any good ideas?? Or am I alone in this DVR idea
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Post by Fightingcock on Aug 1, 2008 9:53:04 GMT 8
what about hook up with the new radio head gear you go the other day from ssp? or that to flimsy. I watched the 2 demo videos... whats the loud huming? =/ differant camera with mic might fix ? and notice the camera wobble in the first one... but no wobble in the red laser clip.... tighten the camera? second clip... is very smooth oh... date and time stamp... removable ? FC
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